Is anyone else a Seer?

[dwight92070]

Not only have I been born of the Holy Spirit (ruach hakodesh) when I accepted Jesus Christ (Yeshua Hamashiach) as my Savior (moshia, משיח),
Redeemer (go'el, גואל), and eternal King (melech, מלך). Since I am a Jew we as a people were chosen of God. So who are you? Who elected you as the salvation police? Speaking in tongues is like the 8 track tape player that once long ago might have been in vogue, but will cease to ever return. Do you speak in tongues to gain attention? or put on a show? It sure isn't the Messianic faith and it isn't the Christian faith. A woman of the Nazarene denomination once told me she had a second work of grace and hadn't sinned in 40 years. Sounds much like you. We know that no one is without sin and when we say that; we make God out to be a liar. People that speak in tongues could possible be demon possessed or have some psychological impairment that needs medical attention.

Layla tov לילה טוב
Shalom שׁלום

The only Jews chosen of God were those who obeyed God. In the old covenant, they were called the "remnant of Israel". At no time in Israel's history did every single Jew love, follow, and obey God. Those who did were the remnant.
Paul, in Romans 9:27, quoted Isaiah 10:22: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved;"
When Jesus started His ministry, the remnant of Israel became united with His disciples. Jesus tells us that the Father gave Him the Jews that were the remnant of Israel:
John 17:6 "I have manifested Your name to the men (the remnant of Israel) whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word."
Tongues is a genuine gift of the Holy Spirit, which has never ceased since Acts 2. Unfortunately, there is much disobedience in the church in the proper use of that gift. I Corinthians 12, 13 and 14 give detailed instructions as to the proper way to use that gift and the others as well. If you enter a Pentecostal or Charismatic church and everyone is loudly speaking in tongues during their "worship" time, they are directly violating Paul's instructions. He said:

"Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?"
Paul goes on to say what the proper way is, to speak in tongues in the church. Only 2 or 3 persons can use the gift in the meeting, one at a time, and there must be someone who has the gift of interpreting tongues, to interpret each time a tongue is given.
You should not mock any gift from the Holy Spirit, even though many abuse it.
I agree with you that Christians who think they no longer sin are deceived. The Bible says otherwise. However, we should not write off those who say that as nonbelievers. Being deceived in that one area does not mean they are totally lost. It does, however, give Christians a bad name when they misinterpret scripture like that.

 

[dwight92070]

Not only have I been born of the Holy Spirit (ruach hakodesh) when I accepted Jesus Christ (Yeshua Hamashiach) as my Savior (moshia, משיח),
Redeemer (go'el, גואל), and eternal King (melech, מלך). Since I am a Jew we as a people were chosen of God. So who are you? Who elected you as the salvation police? Speaking in tongues is like the 8 track tape player that once long ago might have been in vogue, but will cease to ever return. Do you speak in tongues to gain attention? or put on a show? It sure isn't the Messianic faith and it isn't the Christian faith. A woman of the Nazarene denomination once told me she had a second work of grace and hadn't sinned in 40 years. Sounds much like you. We know that no one is without sin and when we say that; we make God out to be a liar. People that speak in tongues could possible be demon possessed or have some psychological impairment that needs medical attention.

Layla tov לילה טוב
Shalom שׁלום

You are quite confused. Here you claim to have accepted Jesus as your Messiah and Savior, yet in another post you say that your wife is in the Christian faith, but you are in the Jewish faith!?? You can't be a disciple of Jesus and of the Jewish faith at the same time. You're either a Christian (a Biblical term) or you're not a Christian. The "Jewish faith" rejects Jesus and denies He is their Savior.

 

[David Koberstein]

Again, Christians do not have a corner on hypocrisy. I'm sure the percentage of Jewish hypocrites is almost identical to nonJewish hypocrites.

Maybe

 

[David Koberstein]

You are quite confused. Here you claim to have accepted Jesus as your Messiah and Savior, yet in another post you say that your wife is in the Christian faith, but you are in the Jewish faith!?? You can't be a disciple of Jesus and of the Jewish faith at the same time. You're either a Christian (a Biblical term) or you're not a Christian. The "Jewish faith" rejects Jesus and denies He is their Savior.

Let me clarify that for you. I am of the Messianic faith and my wife is of the Christian faith. I can and am a disciple of Yeshua and of the Messianic Jewish faith.
The writers of the B'rit Hadashah are all Messianic Jews and followers of Yeshua Hamashiach. Is there any part of this you don't understand?
Shalom

 

[charismaticlady]

You are missing the point. The Sabbath was set aside by God to be able to spend exclusive time with man. You say you rest in Him daily, but your time is not all devoted to him that day. Sabbath gives us time to learn more of Him--that is the rest that is spoken of. I'm sure David loves the Lord daily, but he knows Sabbath is special. It was commanded by God--it is not a ceremonial law, as there are no ceremonial laws in the 10 commandments. If God set aside a day for us, it must be important.
I wouldn't trade my Sabbath time for anything.

The holy convocations are all ceremonial, and Leviticus 23 lists the Sabbath Day as the first in remembrance of Creation and the Creator. Ceremonial laws have to be kept my the letter of the law. "The letter kills." We must keep the Sabbath by the Spirit. How? By its spiritual meaning. Rest. The answer is constant resting in Whom called abiding in Him. But only Spirit-filled Christians can achieve that through the Spirit that is within them. It is relationship, not law, thus not by the letter. Abiding in Jesus is 24/7/365 no matter what you are doing as work or other. If you cannot abide in Jesus while you are thinking about other things then you are not truly abiding in Jesus and He in you and need to become Spirit-filled so that all thoughts are sieved through Him.

 

[David Koberstein]

The holy convocations are all ceremonial, and Leviticus 23 lists the Sabbath Day as the first in remembrance of Creation and the Creator. Ceremonial laws have to be kept my the letter of the law. "The letter kills." We must keep the Sabbath by the Spirit. How? By its spiritual meaning. Rest. The answer is constant resting in Whom called abiding in Him. But only Spirit-filled Christians can achieve that through the Spirit that is within them. It is relationship, not law, thus not by the letter. Abiding in Jesus is 24/7/365 no matter what you are doing as work or other. If you cannot abide in Jesus while you are thinking about other things then you are not truly abiding in Jesus and He in you and need to become Spirit-filled so that all thoughts are sieved through Him.

Total heresy and deception by a demonic tongue talker.
Shalom

 

[charismaticlady]

Back to our conversation about discerning the voice of God.

I believe God spoke to me this morning. He spoke to in the circumstances of my life. I believe does that to His own and even His enemies. I had some circumstances in my family that made me realize some "facts of life" designed to teach us about God. I detail just part of it. I was sitting at a stop light to take a left turn. I had been mediating upon the various Scriptures and teaches I've learned throughout my life. The knowledge that I have gain in living in this environment we call "earth". As I looked up at the stop light. I could not tell what color it was. The sun was actually so bright in that one spot that it was filling the entire stop light. All I could see was a bright circle. I began to worry that I wouldn't be able to actually know when to turn or not. There was one person beside of me in the double lane turn. I wondered if they could see when to turn. I got out my best sunglasses (I had time. It is a busy intersection) and it didn't help. Literally turn signal/stop light was exactly in the right angle to flood the entire stop light so that I couldn't see anything but the sun. The exact angle. I couldn't go forward. I couldn't go backwards to get a better look at the stop light. Even if I did, I don't think I could have changed anything. The light was just so bright and in the perfect position. (Timing). Then I noticed the other turn signal. I eventually got to where I realized I could block out the overwhelming light in my turn signal by looking at the other turn signal.

It is in that moment I believe God Himself (Holy Spirit) spoke to me. I didn't hear an audible voice that wasn't mine. I heard God in the "inner man" that sounds like my own voice. I was imparted knowledge that I wouldn't have had otherwise. The situation, the Scriptures and Spirit all combined at that moment to teach me about our existence.

I believe God intervened in my life to make that happen for ME. I believe He will do the same for anyone else.

I believe that is the cooperation that God seeks in the freedom we have in this life to be who we should become. I wouldn't have that pleasure without Jesus Christ and God's personal touch in my own life and body through the Spirit of God.

I praise Him for it. It is my pleasure to know such a wonderful Savior.

Sorry for not being able to get back to you sooner. You posted this on the 9th when I was having hip-replacement surgery and in the hospital. Back home now and can give you something to think about. By giving God all the glory in that situation you heard God. What we hear in our mind sounds the same as our own thoughts but not from our own knowledge. Understand? It is new truth. Also, the more you give God all the glory, the more you will discern what is new knowledge supernaturally obtained.

 

[David Koberstein]

Sorry for not being able to get back to you sooner. You posted this on the 9th when I was having hip-replacement surgery and in the hospital. Back home now and can give you something to think about. By giving God all the glory in that situation you heard God. What we hear in our mind sounds the same as our own thoughts but not from our own knowledge. Understand? It is new truth. Also, the more you give God all the glory, the more you will discern what is new knowledge supernaturally obtained.

There is no new Truth. The Truth is objective not subjective.
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sorry for not being able to get back to you sooner. You posted this on the 9th when I was having hip-replacement surgery and in the hospital. Back home now and can give you something to think about. By giving God all the glory in that situation you heard God. What we hear in our mind sounds the same as our own thoughts but not from our own knowledge. Understand? It is new truth. Also, the more you give God all the glory, the more you will discern what is new knowledge supernaturally obtained.

I can agree completely with this.

 

[praise_yeshua]

There is no new Truth. The Truth is objective not subjective.
Shalom

You definitely need new truth. It has always been there but you certainly don't know it. NEW to YOU.

 

[dwight92070]

Let me clarify that for you. I am of the Messianic faith and my wife is of the Christian faith. I can and am a disciple of Yeshua and of the Messianic Jewish faith.
The writers of the B'rit Hadashah are all Messianic Jews and followers of Yeshua Hamashiach. Is there any part of this you don't understand?
Shalom

If the Messianic Jewish faith is different than the Christian faith, please explain the difference. If there is no difference, then why do you "manufacture" one?

 

[dwight92070]

Total heresy and deception by a demonic tongue talker.
Shalom

There you go again, condemning a true gift of the Holy Spirit. I also disagree with CharismaticLady, but the gift of tongues is not necessarily demonic. It can be, if actually inspired by the devil, but the Holy Spirit gives this legitimate gift to many.

 

[David Koberstein]

If the Messianic Jewish faith is different than the Christian faith, please explain the difference. If there is no difference, then why do you "manufacture" one?

There are 2 Messianic Jewish denominations. Messianic Jewish Alliance of America and the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
Messianic Judaism is not Christianity.
We also have 2 Bibles. The Tree of Life Version and the Complete Jewish Bible.
We have our Jewish customs and traditions.
We consider the Tanakh and the B'rit Hadashah to be valid and all covenants to be enforce with no expiration date. We believe in the Olive Tree Theology where Gentile Christians are grafted into our tree as believers in Yeshua. There are other differences but these should keep you preoccupied.
Shalom

 

[David Koberstein]

There you go again, condemning a true gift of the Holy Spirit. I also disagree with CharismaticLady, but the gift of tongues is not necessarily demonic. It can be, if actually inspired by the devil, but the Holy Spirit gives this legitimate gift to n

There you go again, condemning a true gift of the Holy Spirit. I also disagree with CharismaticLady, but the gift of tongues is not necessarily demonic. It can be, if actually inspired by the devil, but the Holy Spirit gives this legitimate gift to many.

Not so much. That ship has sailed and never to return
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

There are 2 Messianic Jewish denominations. Messianic Jewish Alliance of America and the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
Messianic Judaism is not Christianity.
We also have 2 Bibles. The Tree of Life Version and the Complete Jewish Bible.
We have our Jewish customs and traditions.
We consider the Tanakh and the B'rit Hadashah to be valid and all covenants to be enforce with no expiration date. We believe in the Olive Tree Theology where Gentile Christians are grafted into our tree as believers in Yeshua. There are other differences but these should keep you preoccupied.
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Notice how they change the Gospel.......

This is a damnable Gospel. Christ alone is THE ROOT.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sorry for not being able to get back to you sooner. You posted this on the 9th when I was having hip-replacement surgery and in the hospital. Back home now and can give you something to think about. By giving God all the glory in that situation you heard God. What we hear in our mind sounds the same as our own thoughts but not from our own knowledge. Understand? It is new truth. Also, the more you give God all the glory, the more you will discern what is new knowledge supernaturally obtained.

Please get well soon. Lord Jesus Protect and Keep You. Heal her body.

 

[charismaticlady]

How is it possible that "God's voice" that you falsely claim to hear, disagrees with the words of the apostle Paul? If Paul's instructions are merely his opinions, then why did he state that these principles have been in effect since Adam and Eve?
There are a few times where Paul does indeed state his opinions, such as 1 Corinthians 7. But when he does that, he clearly states that it is his opinion. He did not do that in 1 Timothy 2. Not only that, but if anyone receives Jesus, he is obligated to receive the one whom He sent - Paul. So we are commanded by the Lord to receive even the opinions of the apostle Paul. Matthew 10:41

Also the passage in 1 Corinthians 14:34-38 confirms the information in 1 Timothy 2. The Corinthians passage says:
"The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman for a woman to speak in church." Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? If anyone thinks he is a prophet (or a seer) or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment. But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not to be recognized.."

So 1 Corinthians 14 confirms 1 Timothy 2, and even informs us that both are the commandment of the Lord. Your claim that "God" said about Paul, "I didn't tell him that." is over the top. He said no such thing in the Bible. Once again, you're preferring your "voice" over what the Bible actually says. My tone is not reviling. That supernatural voice you hear is not God. Therefore, that leaves only one other source - Satan. I have not reviled you. I have exposed your "teaching" as being false.

Question: Do you know what is actual Scripture? Does it have to be the inspired words of God, or is it also the uninspired words of the human vessel? Is not Paul, himself, saying what part is not Scripture?

10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.

12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

 

[David Koberstein]

Question: Do you know what is actual Scripture? Does it have to be the inspired words of God, or is it also the uninspired words of the human vessel? Is not Paul, himself, saying what part is not Scripture?

10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.

12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

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Shalom

 

[dwight92070]

There are 2 Messianic Jewish denominations. Messianic Jewish Alliance of America and the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
Messianic Judaism is not Christianity.
We also have 2 Bibles. The Tree of Life Version and the Complete Jewish Bible.
We have our Jewish customs and traditions.
We consider the Tanakh and the B'rit Hadashah to be valid and all covenants to be enforce with no expiration date. We believe in the Olive Tree Theology where Gentile Christians are grafted into our tree as believers in Yeshua. There are other differences but these should keep you preoccupied.
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Both the old covenant and the new covenant are in force with no expiration date? No wonder you don't claim to be a Christian. The New Testament tells us clearly that the old covenant has become obsolete and no one has been under it since the time of Christ.

Let me clarify that for you. I am of the Messianic faith and my wife is of the Christian faith. I can and am a disciple of Yeshua and of the Messianic Jewish faith.
The writers of the B'rit Hadashah are all Messianic Jews and followers of Yeshua Hamashiach. Is there any part of this you don't understand?
Shalom

 

[dwight92070]

Like many Jews and even many Christian Jews, you overemphasize your "Jewishness", as if you have an "automatically going to heaven" card, simply because of your ethnicity. You made a point of stating that all the New Testament authors were Messianic Jews. I think Luke was a Gentile. I just looked at the introductions of every New Testament book. None of the authors mention one word about being a Jew and a Jew who has accepted Jesus as their Messiah. Even if they were, and I believe they were, claiming to be a Jew is not a high priority for any of them.

If fact, six of them don't even identify themselves at all. Of the authors who identify themselves, what do they say about themselves?
I am a bond servant of Christ, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an apostle of Christ Jesus, a bond servant of God, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, the elder. They saw no need whatsoever to identify themselves as Jewish - just as I see no need to identify myself as Gentile. I am a follower of Jesus.

Paul counted all of his Jewishness as dung, compared to knowing Christ Jesus. This should be our attitude. Our boasting should be in the Lord, not in our ethnicity.

" ... 'but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises lovingkindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,'declares the Lord." Jeremiah 9:24

Also you have a persecution complex. Just because someone disagrees with you, they are immediately a racist - an antisemite. You are dead wrong. But with all your unjustified attacks on and condemnation of Christians, it is very tempting for me to be anti - at least one Jew - you!
With your highly negative attitude towards Christians, it must be very challenging for your Christian wife to even live with you.