Is anyone else a Seer?

[jeremiah1five]

oh indeed i'm in such a sorry state believing and following Jesus.
I do not seek to capitalize on Israel's demise. Instead I rejoice with Paul in that he saw that despite its low response to the gospel that God indeed had proven his faithfulness to Israel to the very end.
I hope all people can know that Christ did not die for just the handful of people you cherish from that remnant of the first century. If Christ has not done this for the gentiles too, what does it matter what gentiles do? They would be left outside of God's blessing forever and then could do whatever they want. You have such high hopes for humanity, don't you?

Low response by Jews to the gospel?
Ha! It's THEIR gospel and they owned it.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:19–20.

Someone needs to read their bible.

 

[jeremiah1five]

you can accept whatever you want. It is before God that your views are judged. I do not know the extent of deviation from the gospel that a person can abide in and still be justified in Christ.

you sort of promote the starry eyed deception of the Pharisees who tried to prove their superior spirituality by proclaiming their obedience to Moses but also to an array of men's traditions. The tried to prove their superiority by living under priestly code -- which was deceiving not just to themselves but also to the people around them. The presented a false aura of authority while at the same time making the build-up of rabbinic oral sayings as their basis for authority. The practices of anything after the return from the Babylon exile were all part of a new form of religion called Judaism and was not sanctioned by God. Only some priestly operations still were recognized to some extent by God.

So I'm not sure why you hold to that rejected change of deviating from God's law and system for living. I don't even know what sins of Israel you think that were supposed to stop doing in light of the arrival of Christ.

Do you as Gentile obey the commands of Christ?

The commands of Christ is the Law.

Do you study the Law in order to understand your responsibility to God and obey His Law?

Or are you Law-less being taught the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete"?

 

[charismaticlady]

But I believe we see the gifts of the Spirit are for the common good...1 Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

1 Cor. 12:7 gifts ARE for the profit of all. I wrote a book for the profit of all from what God had revealed to me. He's revealed so much more since then. But never changed anything He revealed earlier. Truth is Truth and Scriptural.

However, we also can pray in the Spirit that we can use by ourselves that are not for the profit of all as there is no interpretation in Mark 16:16-18. They are for us as individuals in our prayer closets.

If everyone took a position I don't need to hear Bible teachers then you potentially cut off outlets by which God wants to impart knowledge to you. You can also be rejecting ministries that were ordained of God to make you a blessing as you're saying to another member of the body I have no need of you.

I listen to Bible teachers all the time, and none of them teach anything new to me, and most of the time I can shoot holes through them. They should not be on the radio at all.

But keep in mind there is nothing new under the sun. Thousands of Christians are always coming up with similar teachings but that doesn't mean either of them are right. Example I saw years ago what is now called the belief of the Prewrath rapture. A couple of years later other Christians started writing books about it believing the same thing. They never heard me teach it nor I they. That doesn't mean it's a right doctrine or way of thinking because two groups come up with the same idea.

Okay, let's see if you have believed the truth from the teacher you chose to believe. If you heard someone teach that Christians do not sin, would you agree and if so what Scriptures would you use; and if no, what Scriptures would you use. Basically what gospel do you believe out of the thousands taught?

 

[mikesw]

Do you as Gentile obey the commands of Christ?

The commands of Christ is the Law.

Do you study the Law in order to understand your responsibility to God and obey His Law?

Or are you Law-less being taught the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete"?

This tells me you do not under the law of Christ

 

[mikesw]

Low response by Jews to the gospel?
Ha! It's THEIR gospel and they owned it.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:19–20.

Someone needs to read their bible.

oh wow. thousands when there were a million at the Passover. You do not seem to have the whole picture.

 

[jeremiah1five]

This tells me you do not under the law of Christ

The Law of Christ is the Law of the Spirit which is the Law of Moses given to him by Christ.
Christ is the Word, and the Word was given to Moses to and for the children of Israel.

 

[mikesw]

The Law of Christ is the Law of the Spirit which is the Law of Moses given to him by Christ.
Christ is the Word, and the Word was given to Moses to and for the children of Israel.

I think you have to reread Paul's letters to catch up to the rest of Christianity and give up trusting your heavenly vision. But I realize now that the more I speak against your heavenly vision, the more you dig your heals in the ground to resist what the Holy Spirit is saying.

 

[jeremiah1five]

oh wow. thousands when there were a million at the Passover. You do not seem to have the whole picture.

You're exaggerating "a million."

Three thousand Jews were born-again on the Day of Pentecost (Jewish Feast of Harvest.) After that Christ added to His Jewish Church daily such as should be saved.

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:47.

This alone destroys the false Gentile belief that after Judas committed suicide Matthias REPLACED him or that Paul REPLACED him. More heresy.
Christ doesn't replace, Christ builds by ADDING. How stupid it is to build something by replacing.

I start with one brick and want to build a house. Then, I replace that brick with another brick. Then I replace that brick with another brick. See how I am building? I am not building anything. That false Gentile theology is just plain insanity and heresy.

But let's take three thousand born-again Jews on the Day of Pentecost with Christ adding three thousand born-again Jews daily such as should be saved. In seven days, 21,000 Jews have been born-again. In one month, 630,000 Jews were born-again. At the end of only one year 7,560,000 Jews were born-again.

Imagine that. 7,560,00 born-again Jews populate the Church Christ built at the end of the year!

Go, Jesus!

 

[jeremiah1five]

I think you have to reread Paul's letters to catch up to the rest of Christianity and give up trusting your heavenly vision. But I realize now that the more I speak against your heavenly vision, the more you dig your heals in the ground to resist what the Holy Spirit is saying.

I don't need Saul's commentary. I have the Hebrew Scripture I refer to.
That's your problem, you are so fixed on writings from Saul, Peter, James, John, all discussing the New Covenant and the effect of Jesus and the Holy Spirit of Promise upon the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants that you ignore everything in the Hebrew Scripture that details the New Covenant itself God made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
In other words, you have half the truth, and half the truth is a whole lie.

 

[mikesw]

You're exaggerating "a million."

Three thousand Jews were born-again on the Day of Pentecost (Jewish Feast of Harvest.) After that Christ added to His Jewish Church daily such as should be saved.

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:47.

This alone destroys the false Gentile belief that after Judas committed suicide Matthias REPLACED him or that Paul REPLACED him. More heresy.
Christ doesn't replace, Christ builds by ADDING. How stupid it is to build something by replacing.

I start with one brick and want to build a house. Then, I replace that brick with another brick. Then I replace that brick with another brick. See how I am building? I am not building anything. That false Gentile theology is just plain insanity and heresy.

But let's take three thousand born-again Jews on the Day of Pentecost with Christ adding three thousand born-again Jews daily such as should be saved. In seven days, 21,000 Jews have been born-again. In one month, 630,000 Jews were born-again. At the end of only one year 7,560,000 Jews were born-again.

Imagine that. 7,560,00 born-again Jews populate the Church Christ built at the end of the year!

Go, Jesus!

And I suppose you have the evidence to show that more Jews came to Christ than ever had existed to that point in time and that this still was only the minority or remnant that Isa 10:20-22 talks about. That is amazing.

 

[mikesw]

I don't need Saul's commentary. I have the Hebrew Scripture I refer to.
That's your problem, you are so fixed on writings from Saul, Peter, James, John, all discussing the New Covenant and the effect of Jesus and the Holy Spirit of Promise upon the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants that you ignore everything in the Hebrew Scripture that details the New Covenant itself God made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
In other words, you have half the truth, and half the truth is a whole lie.

you are quite forgetful. I have share from the OT and shown the demise of Israel. You keep trying to revive it like Weekend at Bernie's. (Wow. the writer of that movie died last year.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

And I suppose you have the evidence to show that more Jews came to Christ than ever had existed to that point in time and that this still was only the minority or remnant that Isa 10:20-22 talks about. That is amazing.

Sure. Let's do the math.

Seventy souls went into Egypt with Joseph.
In 430 years, these seventy souls multiplied to about three million Hebrews who came out of Egypt.

The children of Israel were delivered by God around 1446 BC. This date is based on a literal interpretation of 1 Kings 6:1, which states that the Exodus occurred 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple. Solomon's Temple is traditionally dated to around 966 BC, which would place the Exodus around 1446 BC. For about 650 years the children of Israel continued to multiply (let's say one million more) until the captivity of the ten northern kingdom tribes by Assyria in 722 BC.

After several battles lasting about seven years the Babylonians conquered Assyria and took many, not all, of the remaining ten tribes back to Babylon. After several attempts by Babylon to conquer the two tribes of the southern kingdom of Judah (with Benjamin) they finally succeeded in 586 BC taking many, not all, Hebrews into captivity back to Babylon.
In 538 BC Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to their land in Palestine yet only a remnant returned thus fulfilling Isaiah's prophecy of chapter 10.
Let's say a remnant of four million is about 400,00 Jews who did return with about three million six hundred who opted to remain is conquered Assyrian land and Babylon land and places in-between. The Neo-Babylonians conquered a great territory.

Let's say that from the time Cyrus allowed the Ephraimites to return to Israel until Jesus' arrival one million Jews were born in 538 years. That would make approximately one million four hundred thousand Jews in Israel. To round it out let's say 20,000 to 30,000 Jews were either killed or escaped their Roman war and occupation. Now we have about one million three hundred and fifty thousand Jews lived in occupation throughout all Israel, Galilee, Samaria, and nearby lands.

It is commanded and mandated in the Law of Moses for all males to be present at Jerusalem for this one of three holy Feasts and out of three million six hundred Jews in Gentile lands that one million did come to Jerusalem from all over the Roman Empire and beyond for the Feast. This would make two million four hundred Jews in Jerusalem and nearby cities.

When the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) "was fully come" the Holy Spirit made three thousand Olive tree Israel converted into spiritual Olive tree Israel in that one day. Maybe half were visiting Jews from Gentile lands. When the Feast was over these 1500 born-again Jews returned to their homes and synagogues in Gentiles lands taking with them an outline of Peter's sermon, the Holy Spirit experience, and testimony of Jesus as King of the Jews and Israel's Messiah back with them. That's 1500 newly minted evangelists who shared their experience on the road most travelled and when they got back to Rome, Ephesus, Corinth, Philippi, Thessalonica, Macedonia, Phrygia, etc., they shared Jesus in their places of residence. If the Holy Spirit was POURED OUT, then you're looking at a free flowing Holy Spirit come to do what He was sent to do and that is to apply the salvation bought by the Son upon elect, Covenant Israel and a conservative number daily that Jesus said "should be saved" can amount to thousands a day all across Israel and Gentile lands throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. Even if it's only one thousand new births a day in all the then-known world then that would be seven thousand a week, 28,00 a month, 336,000 a year and for four decades until the destruction of the Temple we're looking at about thirteen million four hundred thousand Jews birthed and baptized into the body of Christ in forty years since Pentecost.

Or we can say that out of four million Jews alive all over the places they were scattered and in Israel, that a "great company" (over half) came to understand Jesus as their Messiah and King and born-again through the next four decades.

Two million Jews were born-again out of four million alive throughout the Roman Empire and land beyond towards the Orient.

Jesus got busy.

 

[mikesw]

Sure. Let's do the math.

Seventy souls went into Egypt with Joseph.
In 430 years, these seventy souls multiplied to about three million Hebrews who came out of Egypt.

The children of Israel were delivered by God around 1446 BC. This date is based on a literal interpretation of 1 Kings 6:1, which states that the Exodus occurred 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple. Solomon's Temple is traditionally dated to around 966 BC, which would place the Exodus around 1446 BC. For about 650 years the children of Israel continued to multiply (let's say one million more) until the captivity of the ten northern kingdom tribes by Assyria in 722 BC.

After several battles lasting about seven years the Babylonians conquered Assyria and took many, not all, of the remaining ten tribes back to Babylon. After several attempts by Babylon to conquer the two tribes of the southern kingdom of Judah (with Benjamin) they finally succeeded in 586 BC taking many, not all, Hebrews into captivity back to Babylon.
In 538 BC Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to their land in Palestine yet only a remnant returned thus fulfilling Isaiah's prophecy of chapter 10.
Let's say a remnant of four million is about 400,00 Jews who did return with about three million six hundred who opted to remain is conquered Assyrian land and Babylon land and places in-between. The Neo-Babylonians conquered a great territory.

Let's say that from the time Cyrus allowed the Ephraimites to return to Israel until Jesus' arrival one million Jews were born in 538 years. That would make approximately one million four hundred thousand Jews in Israel. To round it out let's say 20,000 to 30,000 Jews were either killed or escaped their Roman war and occupation. Now we have about one million three hundred and fifty thousand Jews lived in occupation throughout all Israel, Galilee, Samaria, and nearby lands.

It is commanded and mandated in the Law of Moses for all males to be present at Jerusalem for this one of three holy Feasts and out of three million six hundred Jews in Gentile lands that one million did come to Jerusalem from all over the Roman Empire and beyond for the Feast. This would make two million four hundred Jews in Jerusalem and nearby cities.

When the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) "was fully come" the Holy Spirit made three thousand Olive tree Israel converted into spiritual Olive tree Israel in that one day. Maybe half were visiting Jews from Gentile lands. When the Feast was over these 1500 born-again Jews returned to their homes and synagogues in Gentiles lands taking with them an outline of Peter's sermon, the Holy Spirit experience, and testimony of Jesus as King of the Jews and Israel's Messiah back with them. That's 1500 newly minted evangelists who shared their experience on the road most travelled and when they got back to Rome, Ephesus, Corinth, Philippi, Thessalonica, Macedonia, Phrygia, etc., they shared Jesus in their places of residence. If the Holy Spirit was POURED OUT, then you're looking at a free flowing Holy Spirit come to do what He was sent to do and that is to apply the salvation bought by the Son upon elect, Covenant Israel and a conservative number daily that Jesus said "should be saved" can amount to thousands a day all across Israel and Gentile lands throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. Even if it's only one thousand new births a day in all the then-known world then that would be seven thousand a week, 28,00 a month, 336,000 a year and for four decades until the destruction of the Temple we're looking at about thirteen million four hundred thousand Jews birthed and baptized into the body of Christ in forty years since Pentecost.

Or we can say that out of four million Jews alive all over the places they were scattered and in Israel, that a "great company" (over half) came to understand Jesus as their Messiah and King and born-again through the next four decades.

Two million Jews were born-again out of four million alive throughout the Roman Empire and land beyond towards the Orient.

Jesus got busy.

Your concept is fully lacking historical evidence. You can claim all sorts of stuff but your claims have no relevance in the argument unless you can point to evidence that more than 10,000 were saved (my rough number).

 

[charismaticlady]

When I share this information about the first century, it is not out of spite. I hold no grudge against people of the first century nor do I have a problem with people today that live a life centered around the first century conceptions. My hope is that anyone and everyone can know Christ in spirit and truth. To know this, you have to understand the problems of the past that created the need for Christ to be sent. It was not only the oppression of Rome, as many Jews might have thought, it was also their own inability to follow God. Thus, the need was for Christ to come and give people a new heart and to fill them with the Spirit.

This statement is where I am coming from. I will have to now go back and unignore "j" to see what specifically you believe. I haven't read anything between you and him.

 

[mikesw]

This statement is where I am coming from. I will have to now go back and unignore "j" to see what specifically you believe. I haven't read anything between you and him.

that person did not accuse me of anything negative about the Jews. I just put in that separate post to indicate I'm just sharing ancient history as scripture seems to portray it. That person is all starry eyed about a nation that had a unique role and covenant until Christ came. Prophecy did not favor a rosy future for the earthly nation.

 

[charismaticlady]

that person did not accuse me of anything negative about the Jews. I just put in that separate post to indicate I'm just sharing ancient history as scripture seems to portray it. That person is all starry eyed about a nation that had a unique role and covenant until Christ came. Prophecy did not favor a rosy future for the earthly nation.

It looks like you guys hijacked this OP. That is why I didn't read your exchange.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your concept is fully lacking historical evidence. You can claim all sorts of stuff but your claims have no relevance in the argument unless you can point to evidence that more than 10,000 were saved (my rough number).

In forty years, Jesus Christ only built His Church numbering 10,000?

What is that? 250 conversions a year? How many did Saul lead to the Lord and he was not even Head of the Church.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:19–20.

Notice true, biblical Christianity, a Christianity moored to the Law and Hebrew roots. A Christianity that now as spiritual Israel can now obey perfectly as Christ which is the basis of the believer's justification and God declaring them "Not Guilty!" Now, as spiritual Israel they can fulfill the following:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim. 3:16–17.

Without the Law to obey a believer is left to lean on their own understanding. But now the Law, Christ's commandments, lead and guide the believer from within on fleshly tables of the heart what was once done from without on stone.

Jesus said, "IF you love me obey my commandments and His commandments are the Laws given to Moses. But wait. You're not Abraham's seed so I guess under the Law there is no atonement for Gentiles since Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law and as the sacrificial lamb of God gave Himself for the children of Israel who were in covenant and before slaying animals yearly for their sins what Jesus Christ did eternally for their sins.
God has no covenant with Gentiles.
NONE.
Gentiles are left unatoned.
Bottom line.
Unless you have Abraham's seed in your family ancestry you're asped out.

 

[mikesw]

In forty years, Jesus Christ only built His Church numbering 10,000?

What is that? 250 conversions a year? How many did Saul lead to the Lord and he was not even Head of the Church.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:19–20.

Notice true, biblical Christianity, a Christianity moored to the Law and Hebrew roots. A Christianity that now as spiritual Israel can now obey perfectly as Christ which is the basis of the believer's justification and God declaring them "Not Guilty!" Now, as spiritual Israel they can fulfill the following:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim. 3:16–17.

Without the Law to obey a believer is left to lean on their own understanding. But now the Law, Christ's commandments, lead and guide the believer from within on fleshly tables of the heart what was once done from without on stone.

Jesus said, "IF you love me obey my commandments and His commandments are the Laws given to Moses. But wait. You're not Abraham's seed so I guess under the Law there is no atonement for Gentiles since Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law and as the sacrificial lamb of God gave Himself for the children of Israel who were in covenant and before slaying animals yearly for their sins what Jesus Christ did eternally for their sins.
God has no covenant with Gentiles.
NONE.
Gentiles are left unatoned.
Bottom line.
Unless you have Abraham's seed in your family ancestry you're asped out.

So you have less than 10,000 Jews saved that are a matter of record unless you can show more. And you also deny the transformative power of the Holy Spirit. You have a few things to learn about the NT that you readily deny.

Also, per the creator of this thread, it would be proper to take this discussion out of this discussion on seers.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So you have less than 10,000 Jews saved that are a matter of record unless you can show more. And you also deny the transformative power of the Holy Spirit. You have a few things to learn about the NT that you readily deny.

Also, per the creator of this thread, it would be proper to take this discussion out of this discussion on seers.

So your position is that in forty years Christ added to His Church daily (Acts 2:47) only enough souls that would number 10,000?

Let's see, as Scripture says, three thousand Jews were born again on Pentecost. That means only 7000 souls were earmarked to salvation in the next forty years?

Unlikely.

Christ began building His Church and once many of the three thousand Jews returned to their homes and synagogues and began testifying about their experiences in Jerusalem and Jesus, I'd say over hundreds of thousands of Jews were throughout the Roman Empire and in the uttermost parts of the earth brought into the kingdom of God in the next forty years.
Maybe a couple of millions.

You sell Jesus short.

 

[TomL]

Those that claim to be of Christ and reject His Word are fakes. Here's an opportunity to redeem yourself. The Word of God says that only those under the Law are redeemed and those under the Law is Israel. Do you agree with God when He said this through Saul?

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

Receive or reject. There is no medium.

Titus 2:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.