Is anyone else a Seer?

[jeremiah1five]

Just like Jesus said, if you understood Moses you would believe in Jesus. The New Testament tells us of Jesus. It was written by Jews and can be understood by us today. You just do not trust Paul and therefore do not trust God since he also tells us about God.
Like I said, you have a tiny bit right in that the OT appears predominantly to speak only of the history and demise of the Israel people. But you miss that and try to revive that old idea. In that sense, you again have misunderstood even the OT. When you start getting ideas correct, then people might be able to discuss things rationally with you

Is it permissible for me to quote an Old Testament passage and change a word to make the passage serve my purpose and say something else?

 

[jeremiah1five]

It is sort of the Hebrew interpretation of scripture that lead to its demise. But Jonah, while not wanting to serve God by going to the non-Hebrew gentiles, ended up traveling to Nineveh and preached there and they repented. So you make too many mistakes in your reading of scripture.

Soon after God destroyed Nineveh to the Nth degree in that if you want to find out where it wea located you have to dig.
Deep.
Sure, that's the grace of God for ya, to destroy to the uttermost an entire nation of Gentiles without salvation.

 

[dwight92070]

"I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live." Ezekiel 33:11

 

[mikesw]

Soon after God destroyed Nineveh to the Nth degree in that if you want to find out where it wea located you have to dig.
Deep.
Sure, that's the grace of God for ya, to destroy to the uttermost an entire nation of Gentiles without salvation.

You then gotta love how he destroyed the majority of the Israel nation in the first century by only saving those who came to Christ.

 

[mikesw]

Is it permissible for me to quote an Old Testament passage and change a word to make the passage serve my purpose and say something else?

You have no trustworthy statement about anything so far. You are much safer when you are quiet. The problem is that you have already distorted much of the scriptures already but you continue to recklessly continue to do so, all based on this dark vision that you take as a heavenly one. That is beyond danger that I would have imagined.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You then gotta love how he destroyed the majority of the Israel nation in the first century by only saving those who came to Christ.

The majority of Hebrews lived in Gentile lands in the first century. It was a remnant that returned to their land when the king of Babylon allowed the Hebrews to leave and only a remnant (10%) returned to the historic land of their fathers.
And since the ten northern tribes were taken by Assyria and scattered, it was those remnant exiles from the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin) who returned to the holy land thus fulfilling Isaiah's prophecy in chapter 10.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You have no trustworthy statement about anything so far. You are much safer when you are quiet. The problem is that you have already distorted much of the scriptures already but you continue to recklessly continue to do so, all based on this dark vision that you take as a heavenly one. That is beyond danger that I would have imagined.

Gentiles since the destruction of the Jewish Temple and without and Scripture founded a new religion devoid of any Hebrew fact, history, culture, and influence, stole everything God Promised to Abraham and his seed (the children of Israel) and made it their own. But God is not mocked. Inheritance theft is a sin. salvation is of the Jews, NOT THE GENTILES.
Your bible from Genesis to Revelation was written by Jews and Jewish Christians TO and FOR Jews and Jewish Christians.
It's their covenants, their Messiah, their salvation. God made no covenant with Gentiles and once Israel was seemingly destroyed, it is al in the hands of God and Gentiles will be judged for their theft and false doctrine so I'm not worried. What God has promised Israel through covenant and prophecy shall ALL come to pass.

 

[mikesw]

The majority of Hebrews lived in Gentile lands in the first century. It was a remnant that returned to their land when the king of Babylon allowed the Hebrews to leave and only a remnant (10%) returned to the historic land of their fathers.
And since the ten northern tribes were taken by Assyria and scattered, it was those remnant exiles from the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin) who returned to the holy land thus fulfilling Isaiah's prophecy in chapter 10.

That is an okay point to note. And the blending of the tribes into bloodline of the surrounding nations is a decent observation along with the idea that God was covering an obligation to the ten lost tribes. So many of the nations/places surrounding Judea heard the gospel and responded to it while being of some Israel bloodline descent. Many of these people became Christians and thus fulfilled the promise of gathering those who were scattered. They were gathered into eternal life per Dan 9:24. The bad news is that most did not come and were destroyed, as found in Zephaniah -- of the land under utter devastation. Only the remnant were spared as per Isaiah 10:20-22 and most of the others died. Sure some non-Christians survived but the survivors continued the evil doctrine of the Pharisees and preserved the corruption of doctrine prevalent in the first century -- but this no longer was the ancient teachings through Moses.

 

[mikesw]

Gentiles since the destruction of the Jewish Temple and without and Scripture founded a new religion devoid of any Hebrew fact, history, culture, and influence, stole everything God Promised to Abraham and his seed (the children of Israel) and made it their own. But God is not mocked. Inheritance theft is a sin. salvation is of the Jews, NOT THE GENTILES.
Your bible from Genesis to Revelation was written by Jews and Jewish Christians TO and FOR Jews and Jewish Christians.
It's their covenants, their Messiah, their salvation. God made no covenant with Gentiles and once Israel was seemingly destroyed, it is al in the hands of God and Gentiles will be judged for their theft and false doctrine so I'm not worried. What God has promised Israel through covenant and prophecy shall ALL come to pass.

That is a pretty ignorant statement and contrary to your point about you interpreting scripture better than Paul. you cannot possibly be consistent in saying gentiles took over and made a new religion when everything about Christ and that people hold about Christ are found in the scriptures. When you reject Paul you consequently reject Christ.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That is an okay point to note. And the blending of the tribes into bloodline of the surrounding nations is a decent observation along with the idea that God was covering an obligation to the ten lost tribes.

God had no obligation to Gentiles. None. As a matter of biblical fact God has no covenant with Gentiles. None.
God has covenant with Abraham and his seed and God is obligated to Abraham and his seed as per covenant and later through prophecy. God's attitude towards Gentiles is as follows:

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

The bible is a record of the Hebrew people written by Hebrews to and for other Hebrews and this included the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation. By disrespecting Gentiles and seeing them as "vanity" shows the great disdain God has towards Gentiles.
God has respect towards Hebrews, a people, a race, an ethnicity if you will, who is in covenant with God. Therefore, because of God's Promises He will do all things necessary to fulfill every promise He's made to the Hebrew people beginning with Abraham, then to Isaac, then to Jacob, and finally Jacob's children also known as the children of Jacob/Israel. And yes, there may be some Jew-Gentile offspring but for the most part because of covenant Jews married Jews. It was through disobedience, conquest and slavery, rape, concubinage, etc., that Jews - both male and female - found it necessary, even for survival, to couple with Gentiles, but being that the Jews knew theirs was an exclusive covenant that included no Gentiles. This is why Jews took issue with the offspring in Samaria after the Assyrian conquest which a remnant population of Jew-Gentiles lived that 'pure' Jews took issue and were hated because these jews brought shame and uncleanness into the fold.

So many of the nations/places surrounding Judea heard the gospel and responded to it while being of some Israel bloodline descent.

Very far and few did offspring from Jew- Gentile couplings became Gentile in life and living but were persuaded as Jews to live in Gentile lands as Jews trying to live according to the Law of Moses. These were called Hellenized Jews, not Hellenized Gentiles. Purely non-Hebrew Gentiles did not respond to any gospel because theirs was a Godless idol-worshiping false religion. My position is that there are no Gentiles in any of the salvation Hebrew covenants as the first covenant is with Abraham and his seed; the Mosaic Covenant is with the children of Jacob/Israel, and the New Covenant is with the House of Israel and Judah. This is the bottom line. Had God included non-Hebrew, non-Abrahamic seed Gentiles in any of the covenant He would have said so and been clear about it, but there are no Gentiles in the Hebrew covenants. None.
What Jesus' interaction with the Samaritan woman specifically and Samaritans generally teach me is that as long as one is seed of Abraham no matter the Jew-Gentile DNA dilution in offspring, they are in covenant with God.

Looking at history from 586 BC when Cyrus allowed Jews to return to their land, those that did return were a "remnant" (10%) which also included a minority of the ten tribes that were taken captive by Assyria and when Assyria was conquered were taken captive by Babylon. During Israel's captivity in Babylon Judaism sprung up. There was conscious effort to remain obedient to Torah and Torah Law even without a Temple and yet their religion centered around their Feasts and Holy Days and observances. After 586 BC time allowed for Jew-Gentile offspring to continue in general so that by the time Jesus arrived there were some Samaritans who were Jew-oriented that lived in Israel yet mostly in Samaria, the one-time capital of the ten northern kingdom tribes, and Jesus interacted with these Jew-Gentile offspring and blessed them. The Roman centurion comes to mind. Being a God-Fearer and one who "loved our nation" and either built by himself or with assistance and/or even funded the building of a Jewish synagogue understood the Old Covenant Scripture that spoke of Messiah and easily recognized Him in Jesus as well as knew Jewish protocol in Jewish-Gentile dealings about entering a Gentile habitation.
This Jew-Gentile offspring continued even to this day, especially knowing two things:
1. God made covenant with Abraham and his seed. Jew-Gentile offspring remained Abraham's seed no matter the DNA dilution. God has covenant with Abraham and his seed.
2. Everyone in the bible and even to this day who is said to be Gentile or proselytes or God-Fearer, who sees themselves as Gentile whether or not they are aware of Hebrew blood in their family line who is born-again and saved just may have Abraham's DNA in their family lines and being the covenant is with Abraham's seed and NOT with non-Hebrew Gentiles, everyone who claims to be Gentile and is born again has Hebrew DNA in their families. Although reasonable, this cannot be proven but neither can it be disproven.

Many of these people became Christians and thus fulfilled the promise of gathering those who were scattered. They were gathered into eternal life per Dan 9:24. The bad news is that most did not come and were destroyed, as found in Zephaniah -- of the land under utter devastation. Only the remnant were spared as per Isaiah 10:20-22 and most of the others died. Sure some non-Christians survived but the survivors continued the evil doctrine of the Pharisees and preserved the corruption of doctrine prevalent in the first century -- but this no longer was the ancient teachings through Moses.

The Pharisees did not have an evil doctrine. In evidence Jesus held more closely to Pharisaic teaching than to Sadducees doctrines. Both Jesus and Pharisees believed in eternal life, angels, resurrection, and several other chief doctrines they held. The issue Jesus had with the religious order in Israel is that they elevated and exalted the traditions of the elders over the Hebrew Scripture (Word of God) and this is clearly seen in Jesus condemning this very thing they did. And why the religious leaders did challenge Jesus in the Torah Law the breach in understanding lay in this one simple fact: The religious leaders only knew the letter of the Law and Jesus for the most part taught the Jews the spirit of the Law. Acts 6 records that a "great company (over 51%) of the priests were obedient to the faith."
Pharisees and Sadducees developed while in Babylonian captivity and were of good service to the people except in time there was a tendency of elevating the traditions of the elders above Scripture. The same thing exists in Christendom today where "Christians" elevate doctrines of men - whether commentaries, theology book authors, and even the teachings of men such as Calvin, Luther, Jack Hayford, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Augustine, etc., above the very Word of God. The Pharisaic tradition lives in Christendom today! Even here, online.

What is corrupt is Gentile doctrine and theology. Once Gentiles unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots after the destruction of the Jewish Temple they created a new religion and one without the Christ of the bible.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That is a pretty ignorant statement and contrary to your point about you interpreting scripture better than Paul.

Go back and reread my comments. I never said 'better,' nor have I ever said 'above.' I said THE SAME.

When Jesus ascended into heaven it was a ten-day window when He dispatched the Holy Spirit. It is His time in the sun now and since Pentecost has been in the world applying to God's elect people the salvation bought by the Son on the cross at Calvary. There was no need for the Son to return to earth to supposedly personally teach Saul the things he knew when he had the Scripture, the same we have, and studied that for his understanding of the New Covenant era Israel found itself in. We have the same Scripture Saul had and he had the Old Testament ONLY and was able with only that to understand the things written there in its pages about this "so-great salvation" and to discuss and write about what he believed he learned. Today, we can fact-check his letters and the things he said, and we do it the same way he did it with the Old Testament - through the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't come back to earth. He sent the Holy Spirit, and this was the way Saul came to "his revelations" he mentions in Galatians 1.
I come to the revelations God gives me when I read and study the Word. And given my call and place in the body what God gives me by way of revealing His Word in me and giving me understanding about things I didn't know before or adding to my understanding of things I already knew, I am confident that the things He's revealed in me are true, correct, and sound, even if it goes against contemporary Gentile theology. I didn't come to see the Scripture through a Jewish mindset. I went through the schools of theology and for his purpose. I was taught Arminianism, I later learned the theologies of the Puritans, the Reformations and came to the same conclusions of Calvin having NEVER read Calvin.
But with all those theologies in my back pocket God found it necessary to give me eyes to see from a Jewish viewpoint that salvation is OF THE JEWS and that God never made covenant with Gentiles. I have asked and no one can show me in the places where the covenants were made in the text where God named or mentioned or included Gentiles in any of the Hebrew covenants. But what everyone does is quote a passage in the New Covenant like Romans and Galatians and try to prove Gentiles in the Abrahamic Covenant which is not true. No one can show me in the places these covenants were made God including non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of these covenants.

you cannot possibly be consistent in saying gentiles took over and made a new religion when everything about Christ and that people hold about Christ are found in the scriptures. When you reject Paul you consequently reject Christ.

Truth number 1. God made covenant with Abraham and his seed (Isaac, Jacob/Israel, Jacob's children of twelve tribes) delivered out of Egypt.

Truth number 2. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the Hebrew covenants.

Truth number 3. The Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Malachi were written by Hebrews and record the history, culture, religion, rituals, kingdoms, lifestyles, etc., or the Hebrew people.

Truth number 4. The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation were written by Jewish Christians TO and FOR other Jews and Jewish Christs (except maybe Timothy who may well be a God-Fearer or even Jewish/Gentile himself given his upbringing and being raised in the Torah.)

Truth number 5. Israel's Messiah (Christ) was promised by Moses to come from the Hebrew people with a mission to deliver Hebrews from their sin and lead them into their very own Promised Land after as High Priest offering Himself as sacrifice for their sin and doing so prophetically and covenantally on His cross at Calvary.

Truth number 6. The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel, not Gentiles and for any Gentile to say they have the Holy Spirit and are saved would violate that God-ordained promise UNLESS that presumed Gentile has Hebrew and Abrahamic DNA in their family line due to the three major exiles and scatterings of the Hebrew people in world history.

Truth number 7. Once the Holy Spirit of Promise arrived, He proceeded to save three thousand Jews on their Feast day, a day we call Pentecost, and being that Scripture says Christ added to His Church daily such as should be saved, and for the next four decades Jews were born again by the thousands and populated the Church Christ was building.

Truth number 8. Jews that were born-again continued to be obedient to God's Torah Law which is their inheritance and command of God and His Christ.

Unless you can disprove any of these revealed truths from Scripture rightly divided then I'll provide you with truth number 9.

 

[mikesw]

Go back and reread my comments. I never said 'better,' nor have I ever said 'above.' I said THE SAME.

When Jesus ascended into heaven it was a ten-day window when He dispatched the Holy Spirit. It is His time in the sun now and since Pentecost has been in the world applying to God's elect people the salvation bought by the Son on the cross at Calvary. There was no need for the Son to return to earth to supposedly personally teach Saul the things he knew when he had the Scripture, the same we have, and studied that for his understanding of the New Covenant era Israel found itself in. We have the same Scripture Saul had and he had the Old Testament ONLY and was able with only that to understand the things written there in its pages about this "so-great salvation" and to discuss and write about what he believed he learned. Today, we can fact-check his letters and the things he said, and we do it the same way he did it with the Old Testament - through the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't come back to earth. He sent the Holy Spirit, and this was the way Saul came to "his revelations" he mentions in Galatians 1.
I come to the revelations God gives me when I read and study the Word. And given my call and place in the body what God gives me by way of revealing His Word in me and giving me understanding about things I didn't know before or adding to my understanding of things I already knew, I am confident that the things He's revealed in me are true, correct, and sound, even if it goes against contemporary Gentile theology. I didn't come to see the Scripture through a Jewish mindset. I went through the schools of theology and for his purpose. I was taught Arminianism, I later learned the theologies of the Puritans, the Reformations and came to the same conclusions of Calvin having NEVER read Calvin.
But with all those theologies in my back pocket God found it necessary to give me eyes to see from a Jewish viewpoint that salvation is OF THE JEWS and that God never made covenant with Gentiles. I have asked and no one can show me in the places where the covenants were made in the text where God named or mentioned or included Gentiles in any of the Hebrew covenants. But what everyone does is quote a passage in the New Covenant like Romans and Galatians and try to prove Gentiles in the Abrahamic Covenant which is not true. No one can show me in the places these covenants were made God including non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of these covenants.

Truth number 1. God made covenant with Abraham and his seed (Isaac, Jacob/Israel, Jacob's children of twelve tribes) delivered out of Egypt.

Truth number 2. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the Hebrew covenants.

Truth number 3. The Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Malachi were written by Hebrews and record the history, culture, religion, rituals, kingdoms, lifestyles, etc., or the Hebrew people.

Truth number 4. The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation were written by Jewish Christians TO and FOR other Jews and Jewish Christs (except maybe Timothy who may well be a God-Fearer or even Jewish/Gentile himself given his upbringing and being raised in the Torah.)

Truth number 5. Israel's Messiah (Christ) was promised by Moses to come from the Hebrew people with a mission to deliver Hebrews from their sin and lead them into their very own Promised Land after as High Priest offering Himself as sacrifice for their sin and doing so prophetically and covenantally on His cross at Calvary.

Truth number 6. The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel, not Gentiles and for any Gentile to say they have the Holy Spirit and are saved would violate that God-ordained promise UNLESS that presumed Gentile has Hebrew and Abrahamic DNA in their family line due to the three major exiles and scatterings of the Hebrew people in world history.

Truth number 7. Once the Holy Spirit of Promise arrived, He proceeded to save three thousand Jews on their Feast day, a day we call Pentecost, and being that Scripture says Christ added to His Church daily such as should be saved, and for the next four decades Jews were born again by the thousands and populated the Church Christ was building.

Truth number 8. Jews that were born-again continued to be obedient to God's Torah Law which is their inheritance and command of God and His Christ.

Unless you can disprove any of these revealed truths from Scripture rightly divided then I'll provide you with truth number 9.

talk in light of Paul's writings. You keep failing there.

 

[mikesw]

God had no obligation to Gentiles. None. As a matter of biblical fact God has no covenant with Gentiles. None.
God has covenant with Abraham and his seed and God is obligated to Abraham and his seed as per covenant and later through prophecy. God's attitude towards Gentiles is as follows:

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

The bible is a record of the Hebrew people written by Hebrews to and for other Hebrews and this included the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation. By disrespecting Gentiles and seeing them as "vanity" shows the great disdain God has towards Gentiles.
God has respect towards Hebrews, a people, a race, an ethnicity if you will, who is in covenant with God. Therefore, because of God's Promises He will do all things necessary to fulfill every promise He's made to the Hebrew people beginning with Abraham, then to Isaac, then to Jacob, and finally Jacob's children also known as the children of Jacob/Israel. And yes, there may be some Jew-Gentile offspring but for the most part because of covenant Jews married Jews. It was through disobedience, conquest and slavery, rape, concubinage, etc., that Jews - both male and female - found it necessary, even for survival, to couple with Gentiles, but being that the Jews knew theirs was an exclusive covenant that included no Gentiles. This is why Jews took issue with the offspring in Samaria after the Assyrian conquest which a remnant population of Jew-Gentiles lived that 'pure' Jews took issue and were hated because these jews brought shame and uncleanness into the fold.

Very far and few did offspring from Jew- Gentile couplings became Gentile in life and living but were persuaded as Jews to live in Gentile lands as Jews trying to live according to the Law of Moses. These were called Hellenized Jews, not Hellenized Gentiles. Purely non-Hebrew Gentiles did not respond to any gospel because theirs was a Godless idol-worshiping false religion. My position is that there are no Gentiles in any of the salvation Hebrew covenants as the first covenant is with Abraham and his seed; the Mosaic Covenant is with the children of Jacob/Israel, and the New Covenant is with the House of Israel and Judah. This is the bottom line. Had God included non-Hebrew, non-Abrahamic seed Gentiles in any of the covenant He would have said so and been clear about it, but there are no Gentiles in the Hebrew covenants. None.
What Jesus' interaction with the Samaritan woman specifically and Samaritans generally teach me is that as long as one is seed of Abraham no matter the Jew-Gentile DNA dilution in offspring, they are in covenant with God.

Looking at history from 586 BC when Cyrus allowed Jews to return to their land, those that did return were a "remnant" (10%) which also included a minority of the ten tribes that were taken captive by Assyria and when Assyria was conquered were taken captive by Babylon. During Israel's captivity in Babylon Judaism sprung up. There was conscious effort to remain obedient to Torah and Torah Law even without a Temple and yet their religion centered around their Feasts and Holy Days and observances. After 586 BC time allowed for Jew-Gentile offspring to continue in general so that by the time Jesus arrived there were some Samaritans who were Jew-oriented that lived in Israel yet mostly in Samaria, the one-time capital of the ten northern kingdom tribes, and Jesus interacted with these Jew-Gentile offspring and blessed them. The Roman centurion comes to mind. Being a God-Fearer and one who "loved our nation" and either built by himself or with assistance and/or even funded the building of a Jewish synagogue understood the Old Covenant Scripture that spoke of Messiah and easily recognized Him in Jesus as well as knew Jewish protocol in Jewish-Gentile dealings about entering a Gentile habitation.
This Jew-Gentile offspring continued even to this day, especially knowing two things:
1. God made covenant with Abraham and his seed. Jew-Gentile offspring remained Abraham's seed no matter the DNA dilution. God has covenant with Abraham and his seed.
2. Everyone in the bible and even to this day who is said to be Gentile or proselytes or God-Fearer, who sees themselves as Gentile whether or not they are aware of Hebrew blood in their family line who is born-again and saved just may have Abraham's DNA in their family lines and being the covenant is with Abraham's seed and NOT with non-Hebrew Gentiles, everyone who claims to be Gentile and is born again has Hebrew DNA in their families. Although reasonable, this cannot be proven but neither can it be disproven.

The Pharisees did not have an evil doctrine. In evidence Jesus held more closely to Pharisaic teaching than to Sadducees doctrines. Both Jesus and Pharisees believed in eternal life, angels, resurrection, and several other chief doctrines they held. The issue Jesus had with the religious order in Israel is that they elevated and exalted the traditions of the elders over the Hebrew Scripture (Word of God) and this is clearly seen in Jesus condemning this very thing they did. And why the religious leaders did challenge Jesus in the Torah Law the breach in understanding lay in this one simple fact: The religious leaders only knew the letter of the Law and Jesus for the most part taught the Jews the spirit of the Law. Acts 6 records that a "great company (over 51%) of the priests were obedient to the faith."
Pharisees and Sadducees developed while in Babylonian captivity and were of good service to the people except in time there was a tendency of elevating the traditions of the elders above Scripture. The same thing exists in Christendom today where "Christians" elevate doctrines of men - whether commentaries, theology book authors, and even the teachings of men such as Calvin, Luther, Jack Hayford, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Augustine, etc., above the very Word of God. The Pharisaic tradition lives in Christendom today! Even here, online.

What is corrupt is Gentile doctrine and theology. Once Gentiles unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots after the destruction of the Jewish Temple they created a new religion and one without the Christ of the bible.

Not sure what to say here. you are expressing ignorance and blindness at the highest level. Jesus exposed the Pharisees especially as seed of the serpent in light of the prophecy in Gen 3:15

 

[jeremiah1five]

talk in light of Paul's writings. You keep failing there.

Since you are unwilling or can't refute these truths, I will accept your silence as agreement to these truths.
Thanks.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not sure what to say here. you are expressing ignorance and blindness at the highest level. Jesus exposed the Pharisees especially as seed of the serpent in light of the prophecy in Gen 3:15

Your problem is that you are so ingrained in Gentile theology which steals Israel's inheritance and tries to make it its own which is why we don't see the same Jesus of the bible.
Your Gentile religion is just that, a man-made religion devoid of historic Hebrew indulgence and seeks to capitalize on Israel's demise at the hands of the Romans which for 1900 years is a religion unto its own without Jewish inclusion.
In this is your false doctrine, a doctrine that will one day be revealed as Mother of Harlots who gets every Gentile drunk in her heretical wine.
Too bad.

 

[mikesw]

Your problem is that you are so ingrained in Gentile theology which steals Israel's inheritance and tries to make it its own which is why we don't see the same Jesus of the bible.
Your Gentile religion is just that, a man-made religion devoid of historic Hebrew indulgence and seeks to capitalize on Israel's demise at the hands of the Romans which for 1900 years is a religion unto its own without Jewish inclusion.
In this is your false doctrine, a doctrine that will one day be revealed as Mother of Harlots who gets every Gentile drunk in her heretical wine.
Too bad.

oh indeed i'm in such a sorry state believing and following Jesus.
I do not seek to capitalize on Israel's demise. Instead I rejoice with Paul in that he saw that despite its low response to the gospel that God indeed had proven his faithfulness to Israel to the very end.
I hope all people can know that Christ did not die for just the handful of people you cherish from that remnant of the first century. If Christ has not done this for the gentiles too, what does it matter what gentiles do? They would be left outside of God's blessing forever and then could do whatever they want. You have such high hopes for humanity, don't you?

 

[mikesw]

Since you are unwilling or can't refute these truths, I will accept your silence as agreement to these truths.
Thanks.

you can accept whatever you want. It is before God that your views are judged. I do not know the extent of deviation from the gospel that a person can abide in and still be justified in Christ.

you sort of promote the starry eyed deception of the Pharisees who tried to prove their superior spirituality by proclaiming their obedience to Moses but also to an array of men's traditions. The tried to prove their superiority by living under priestly code -- which was deceiving not just to themselves but also to the people around them. The presented a false aura of authority while at the same time making the build-up of rabbinic oral sayings as their basis for authority. The practices of anything after the return from the Babylon exile were all part of a new form of religion called Judaism and was not sanctioned by God. Only some priestly operations still were recognized to some extent by God.

So I'm not sure why you hold to that rejected change of deviating from God's law and system for living. I don't even know what sins of Israel you think that were supposed to stop doing in light of the arrival of Christ.

 

[mikesw]

When I share this information about the first century, it is not out of spite. I hold no grudge against people of the first century nor do I have a problem with people today that live a life centered around the first century conceptions. My hope is that anyone and everyone can know Christ in spirit and truth. To know this, you have to understand the problems of the past that created the need for Christ to be sent. It was not only the oppression of Rome, as many Jews might have thought, it was also their own inability to follow God. Thus, the need was for Christ to come and give people a new heart and to fill them with the Spirit.

 

[charismaticlady]

You can set aside what I say if you wish but I'd be careful about calling it a gift.

I have all but two of the signs and gifts of the Holy Spirit, but this one seems to be the most verifiably supernatural. And the fact that I received it immediately as 1 John 3:22 says was like receiving a huge bear hug from God. I've never felt so loved in my life. And so trusted by Him to honor me as His own child. What a blessing.

Well I'd be very careful about all this. Can you see where this can lead? People now start wanting to see strange usual things.....and also word gets out,
"Hey you know what so and so saw around the Pastor....this darkness coming out from him:"
Can you not see that as a potential problem. If one is after the esoteric (wanting to see strange unusual things) I'm guessing you know who could accommodate that. Well (one might conclude) I'm not going to listen to that man for a darkness comes around him! Bingo!

The devil has one discrediting a minister of the gospel to the result of loosing faith in him. I'd hope you 'd agree that can be serious wrong stuff. My advise to all. Be very, very careful about these things.

I see it did more for me than for you, and that is up to you. That is why I was up front in naming this OP. I would like to hear from others who also see with this manifestation of the Spirit seeing as you don't take kindly to calling it a "gift."

Sure. God still though wants to use other members of the body to encourage us and teach us. He has put in the body pastors, teachers etc. Some make the mistake of refusing to hear anyone's teaching except God alone teaching them. (of course it's God through the teacher teaching) Kind of like the question why does God need angels? Can't he do all things himself? Sure. But he uses agents and gives them assignments to carry out his will.

No one has taught me; that's the point. I already told you I prayed and asked God to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man in denominations, and then start telling me the one and only true interpretation of every verse He authored. He started immediately and thoroughly. What I know now is why He was giving me the office of Teacher. It is from God, and better than any seminary. For a few years I began to think I must be the only person on the planet that knew what was taught in the first century from the Apostles, and not butchered by the Roman Catholic Church, and further changed by the Protestant Reformation and their teaching that we will always sin, and not what the Apostles taught that we are free from sin and how to abide in Jesus and He in us.. Then my missionary friend told me that she doesn't understand what I teach, but she was getting teachings mailed to her from a church in Conroe, Texas and she doesn't understand what they teach either, but they teach exactly what I've been teaching! Praise God, I'm not alone. They are Calvary Outreach Church.

 

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I see it did more for me than for you, and that is up to you.

But I believe we see the gifts of the Spirit are for the common good...1 Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

That is why I was up front in naming this OP. I would like to hear from others who also see with this manifestation of the Spirit seeing as you don't take kindly to calling it a "gift."

I'm just saying one needs to be careful what they're claiming.

No one has taught me; that's the point. doctrines of man in denominations, and then start telling me the one and only true interpretation of every verse He authored. He started immediately and thoroughly.

Still got to be careful with statements like that. God has set teachers or leaders in the church . If everyone took a position I don't need to hear Bible teachers then you potentially cut off outlets by which God wants to impart knowledge to you. You can also be rejecting ministries that were ordained of God to make you a blessing as you're saying to another member of the body I have no need of you.

Then my missionary friend told me that she doesn't understand what I teach, but she was getting teachings mailed to her from a church in Conroe, Texas and she doesn't understand what they teach either, but they teach exactly what I've been teaching! Praise God, I'm not alone. They are Calvary Outreach Church.

But keep in mind there is nothing new under the sun. Thousands of Christians are always coming up with similar teachings but that doesn't mean either of them are right. Example I saw years ago what is now called the belief of the Prewrath rapture. A couple of years later other Christians started writing books about it believing the same thing. They never heard me teach it nor I they. That doesn't mean it's a right doctrine or way of thinking because two groups come up with the same idea.