Is anyone else a Seer?

TomL said:
Titus 2:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
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By your interpretation, which is typically wrong, the "all men" refer to the children of Israel who were in covenant with God.

Since Saul is writing to Titus the "redeem us" again refers to the children of Israel for whom under the Law the animal sacrifice and the Lord's personal sacrifice was made for the children of Israel.

To interpret these passages and others that seem to refer to anyone other than the Elect of God in Israel is to break Scripture for NEVER as under the Law did the high priest leave Israel, go to the non-Hebrew Gentiles that surround the Jews and offer sacrifices for them. Your interpretation is not support by Scripture.
Sowwy.
 
jeremiah1five said:
By your interpretation, which is typically wrong, the "all men" refer to the children of Israel who were in covenant with God.

Since Saul is writing to Titus the "redeem us" again refers to the children of Israel for whom under the Law the animal sacrifice and the Lord's personal sacrifice was made for the children of Israel.

To interpret these passages and others that seem to refer to anyone other than the Elect of God in Israel is to break Scripture for NEVER as under the Law did the high priest leave Israel, go to the non-Hebrew Gentiles that surround the Jews and offer sacrifices for them. Your interpretation is not support by Scripture.
Sowwy.
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Sorry context does not support you

Titus 2:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

All men is not a reference to Jews only
 
TomL said:
Sorry context does not support you

Titus 2:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

All men is not a reference to Jews only
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The bottom line is Scripture CANNOT be broken. God made covenant with Abraham and his seed (Abrahamic Covenant), and with the children of Israel at Mount Sinai (Mosaic Covenant) and with the House of Israel and Judah (New Covenant) and in all three Hebrew covenants there are NO (non-Hebrew) GENTILES in these covenants.

So, unless your doctrine, belief, or interpretation does not reflect this truth then it is heresy, false, and a lie.
God did promise to send a great delusion to Gentiles, and you are deluded to overtly contradict Scripture or teach Saul, a man who was rabbi, who was Pharisee, and would not contradict the God of his fathers, to interpret him as saying non-Hebrew Gentiles are in any of the Hebrew covenants.
Get your doctrine in line with Scripture. Your heresy is showing.
 
jeremiah1five said:
The bottom line is Scripture CANNOT be broken. God made covenant with Abraham and his seed (Abrahamic Covenant), and with the children of Israel at Mount Sinai (Mosaic Covenant) and with the House of Israel and Judah (New Covenant) and in all three Hebrew covenants there are NO (non-Hebrew) GENTILES in these covenants.

So, unless your doctrine, belief, or interpretation does not reflect this truth then it is heresy, false, and a lie.
God did promise to send a great delusion to Gentiles, and you are deluded to overtly contradict Scripture or teach Saul, a man who was rabbi, who was Pharisee, and would not contradict the God of his fathers, to interpret him as saying non-Hebrew Gentiles are in any of the Hebrew covenants.
Get your doctrine in line with Scripture. Your heresy is showing.
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So why do you always try the break the New testament. The old covenant is gone, and we are not in it.

Titus 2:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

All men is not a reference to Jews only,

and the heresy here is your denial of the New covenant.

l
 
TomL said:
So why do you always try the break the New testament. The old covenant is gone, and we are not in it.

Titus 2:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

All men is not a reference to Jews only,

and the heresy here is your denial of the New covenant.

l
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The Old Covenant is gone?

The Old Covenant is where Saul got his understanding of the New Covenant Israel found itself in with the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel.

The Old Covenant is gone?

Then why would Saul instruct under the anointing to obey the Law? When he wrote this there was ONLY the Old Covenant Scripture.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim. 3:15–17.

Without the Old Covenant there would be NO INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Better to be quiet and let others to think you wise, than to open your mouth and show yourself a fool.
Every comment you make I see the lack of anointing and the lack of the truth from the Old Covenant.
 
jeremiah1five said:
The Old Covenant is gone?

The Old Covenant is where Saul got his understanding of the New Covenant Israel found itself in with the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel.

The Old Covenant is gone?

Then why would Saul instruct under the anointing to obey the Law? When he wrote this there was ONLY the Old Covenant Scripture.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim. 3:15–17.

Without the Old Covenant there would be NO INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Better to be quiet and let others to think you wise, than to open your mouth and show yourself a fool.
Every comment you make I see the lack of anointing and the lack of the truth from the Old Covenant.
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Yes have you not heard.

We are under the New covenant

Hebrews 8:7–8 (KJV 1900) — 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:15 (UASV) — 15 That is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that because a death has occurred for their release by ransom from the transgressions under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 12:24 (UASV) — 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

You are not going to find righteousness in sacrificing bulls, keeping feasts days or by the law

And as scripture is given by inspiration, why do you ignore the new covenant
 
TomL said:
Yes have you not heard.

We are under the New covenant

Hebrews 8:7–8 (KJV 1900) — 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:15 (UASV) — 15 That is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that because a death has occurred for their release by ransom from the transgressions under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 12:24 (UASV) — 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

You are not going to find righteousness in sacrificing bulls, keeping feasts days or by the law

And as scripture is given by inspiration, why do you ignore the new covenant
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All the New Covenant is, is Christ fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant and through this ends with "Christ in you," the "you" being the Hebrew people.
Your interpretation of the Scripture falls short of the glory of God. The word for that is sin.
 
jeremiah1five said:
All the New Covenant is, is Christ fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant and through this ends with "Christ in you," the "you" being the Hebrew people.
Your interpretation of the Scripture falls short of the glory of God. The word for that is sin.
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Yet you show you do not believe the New covenant and remain stuck in the old



Hebrews 8:7–8 (KJV 1900) — 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:15 (UASV) — 15 That is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that because a death has occurred for their release by ransom from the transgressions under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 12:24 (UASV) — 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

You are not going to find righteousness in sacrificing bulls, keeping feasts days or by the law

And as scripture is given by inspiration, why do you ignore the new covenant
 
TomL said:
Yet you show you do not believe the New covenant and remain stuck in the old



Hebrews 8:7–8 (KJV 1900) — 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:15 (UASV) — 15 That is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that because a death has occurred for their release by ransom from the transgressions under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 12:24 (UASV) — 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

You are not going to find righteousness in sacrificing bulls, keeping feasts days or by the law

And as scripture is given by inspiration, why do you ignore the new covenant
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Go on, finish it.

The last line. You said, "And as scripture is given by inspiration..."

Finish it.

No? OK, I will for you: The "all Scripture" is the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets, i.e., the Hebrew Scripture.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Why?

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim. 3:16–17.

So that the man of God - not man of men - may be completely furnished.

It's like furnishing a home.

Or a mansion.
 
'Search me, O God, and know my heart:
try me, and know my thoughts:
And see if there be any wicked way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.'
(Psa 139:23-24)
 
jeremiah1five said:
Go on, finish it.

The last line. You said, "And as scripture is given by inspiration..."

Finish it.

No? OK, I will for you: The "all Scripture" is the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets, i.e., the Hebrew Scripture.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Why?

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim. 3:16–17.

So that the man of God - not man of men - may be completely furnished.

It's like furnishing a home.

Or a mansion.
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The question was why do you deny the New testament

Yet you show you do not believe the New covenant and remain stuck in the old



Hebrews 8:7–8 (KJV 1900) — 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:15 (UASV) — 15 That is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that because a death has occurred for their release by ransom from the transgressions under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 12:24 (UASV) — 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

You are not going to find righteousness in sacrificing bulls, keeping feasts days or by the law

And as scripture is given by inspiration, why do you ignore the new covenant
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Readers note he denies the New Testament is scripture
 
Complete said:
'Search me, O God, and know my heart:
try me, and know my thoughts:
And see if there be any wicked way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.'
(Psa 139:23-24)
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Good post! I've examined myself through this scripture also.

If you can't think of anything, you're clean. Paul would examine his own conscience and if he had a clear conscience then he was sinless and righteous in the eyes of God. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. He is the one who has already cleansed us from unrighteousness which is lawlessness 1 John 3:4-5. John 15:3-4 "3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

Next He starts pruning the fruit of the Spirit which may take a long time. Keep in mind 2 Peter 1:5-11. This is to graduate from the school of maturing the fruit of the Spirit. Once you've graduated you are not only righteous, but perfect and holy.

Rev. 22:11 "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

This last verse proves that the doctrine that we will still be sinners when we die is a doctrine of demons. They want you to believe Calvinism with their "T" for "Total Depravity," even after being born again of the Spirit! They teach that part of that letter from T.U.L.I.P. is in our body, therefore sin is in us when we die. They don't know this scripture in Psalms.
 
Complete said:
Hello @TomL,

With respect to @jeremiah1five, I don't think agreement can ever be reached with him regarding certain issues, because he has a view of Scripture regarding them which is entirely his own. Please look at an exchange between he and I below:-

[replies:- #63 - #66]

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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How can you say I have a view "entirely [his] own?"

The Abrahamic Covenant is between God and Abram the Hebrew.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel in the desert at Mount Sinai.
The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel (northern kingdom tribes) and the House of Judah (southern kingdom tribes.)

I believe the above which is in the bible and post continually to the blind and deluded these biblical facts, so how can it be "entirely [his] own?"

You, too, are infected by false Gentile theology that has erroneously unmoored its whole belief system from true, biblical Hebrew roots. Salvation is OF THE JEWS.

I am saying the same thing as God.
 
Complete said:
'Be it known therefore unto you,
that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles,
and that they will hear it.'
(Act 28:28)
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Let them hear. Salvation is OF THE JEWS. Since the majority of Jews remained in Gentile lands (Assyria, Babylonia, and lands in-between) even after given permission by king Cyrus in 538 BC to return to the holy land, only a remnant returned. Remember that only Judah and Benjamin were captured by Babylon and the reason why God sent His salvation which is OF THE JEWS to Gentiles is because Jews lived in Gentile lands. By living in Gentile lands these Jews were unaware God had sent Israel's Redeemer, Lord, and King to Israel in Jesus Christ and them as covenant Israel nevertheless needed to receive the news through the Lord's apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists and teachers that Israel's Messiah had come. They, too, were waiting for their Promised Redeemer
 
jeremiah1five said:
How can you say I have a view "entirely [his] own?"

The Abrahamic Covenant is between God and Abram the Hebrew.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel in the desert at Mount Sinai.
The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel (northern kingdom tribes) and the House of Judah (southern kingdom tribes.)

I believe the above which is in the bible and post continually to the blind and deluded these biblical facts, so how can it be "entirely [his] own?"

You, too, are infected by false Gentile theology that has erroneously unmoored its whole belief system from true, biblical Hebrew roots. Salvation is OF THE JEWS.

I am saying the same thing as God.
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Hello @jeremiah1five,

I agree with what you have to say concerning the covenants both old and new. I also agree with many other things that you say, but not what you say concerning gentile believers.

The Lord Jesus Christ said, 'salvation is of the Jew.' in His conversation with the Syrophoenician woman: yet in Acts 28:28, after the elders of the Jews of the diaspora failed to acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah, it is said by Paul, following reference to the prophetic words of Isaiah 6, that, 'salvation is sent to the Gentiles'.

That must also be believed and received, @jeremiah1five.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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