Rockson
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I'll just pretend you didn't say this.
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civic
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It’s called projecting
brightfame52
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its the Gospel of their Salvation sent to them. Thats why its called the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
brightfame52
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Thats on you
Rockson
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I want to get back to this. You said something here which guarantees in my mind that you're preaching a different gospel. In your estimation the gospel is just informing them that they are saved. So very untrue. So let's see what Rom 1:16 states, (and I exhort you DON'T tamper with what the gospel is!)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom 1:16
It did not say the gospel is just telling you what God did in saving you. He said IT IS the gospel is, the power of God that takes you to or unto something.....and that something IS salvation. So you by your own words above are saying you arrived at salvations reality in your life BEFORE you knew about it. Wrong. You didn't.
This error has you believing you really don't need the gospel at all but it's merely just an afterthought of God letting you know what happened. Sorry but you need to reject this way of thinking and throw it into the can. Here are 4 different versions of Rom 1:16 and I can provide MORE.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
New King James
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Rom 1:16 NASB
(notice it didn't say about salvation.....but FOR IT)
I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation....Rom 1:16 AMP (notice FOR.....NOT merely about!)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation Rom 1:16 ESV (For....not about!)
So in conclusion your false teaching takes people away from what the gospel even really is. I'd encourage you to pull way from your serious error and do so immediately.
In the fiction sectionYes that book keeps popping up lol.
brightfame52
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The word of Salvation informs the saved they are saved, duh. Would it be good news to you if you found out your sins have been , you've been Justified by the blood of Christ.
Why you think its called the Gospel of YOUR Salvation ? Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
You have men saved apart from a relation with Christ
This is a great error as all soteriological blessings are in Christ
brightfame52
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I dont know what in the world you talking about. This is a false misrepresentation
I guess you are ignorant of what it means to be in Christ and the blessings that are only available in him
brightfame52
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The Gospel call to the elect, is an effectual call, an irresistible call, for its a Call that brings the regenerated chosen one into fellowship with Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now does God call darkness unto the fellowship of Ligth ? 2 Cor 6 14
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
No, but the regenerated have been made light, so light is attracted to light.
The word fellowship in 1 Cor 1:9 is the same word communion in 2 Cor 6 14, the word koinōnia
The effectual call is unto the regenerate.
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now does God call darkness unto the fellowship of Ligth ? 2 Cor 6 14
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
No, but the regenerated have been made light, so light is attracted to light.
The word fellowship in 1 Cor 1:9 is the same word communion in 2 Cor 6 14, the word koinōnia
The effectual call is unto the regenerate.
Nowhere in scripture do we read of an effectual call
and faith precedes regeneration
1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
How we are told
1 Corinthians 15:1–11 (KJV 1900) — 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
brightfame52
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Called UNTO the word unto means the call was effectual
unto is the prep eis and means:
; a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result,
The Gospel call to the elect, is an effectual call, an irresistible call, for its a Call that brings the regenerated chosen one into fellowship with Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now does God call darkness unto the fellowship of Ligth ? 2 Cor 6 14
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
No, but the regenerated have been made light, so light is attracted to light.
The word fellowship in 1 Cor 1:9 is the same word communion in 2 Cor 6 14, the word koinōnia
The effectual call is unto the regenerate.
sorry effectual is not a part of the meaning of the word called and you did not address
Nowhere in scripture do we read of an effectual call
and faith precedes regeneration
1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
How begotten we are told
1 Corinthians 15:1–11 (KJV 1900) — 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
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brightfame52
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Called UNTO the word unto means the call was effectual
unto is the prep eis and means:
; a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result,
The Gospel call to the elect, is an effectual call, an irresistible call, for its a Call that brings the regenerated chosen one into fellowship with Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now does God call darkness unto the fellowship of Ligth ? 2 Cor 6 14
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
No, but the regenerated have been made light, so light is attracted to light.
The word fellowship in 1 Cor 1:9 is the same word communion in 2 Cor 6 14, the word koinōnia
The effectual call is unto the regenerate.
brightfame52
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Regeneration prepares spiritually for the effectual call into the fellowship by the Gospel Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
So the Gospel is said to bring forth fruit Col 1:5-6
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
So the Gospel is said to bring forth fruit Col 1:5-6
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
The phrase effectual call never appears in the bible
and the only call to salvation the bible does know is the gospel call.
brightfame52
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Regeneration prepares spiritually for the effectual call into the fellowship by the Gospel Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
So the Gospel is said to bring forth fruit Col 1:5-6
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Sorry one believes the gospel before being regenerated
James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
