Gospel of Christ: Is It Law Or Did It End Law?

[Eternally-Grateful]

You forgot John 3:5.
Cherry picked.

John 3:5. I do not see the word baprism

Adding to the word

If baptism was required Jesus forgot to mention tion it in vs 10 - 18

Nice try though

And funny how out of all the passages I have you you chose only 1 to respond to. That does not even have the word baptism in it

Cherry picked

 

[civic]

You say things.
Quote someone in the Bible say what your church says.
Quote someone in the Bible that says we are saved before baptism?

You think no one is saved prior to being dunked in water ?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You think no one is saved prior to being dunked in water ?

The truth always reveals itself.

 

[Titus]

Did the Mosaical law end?
The truth of Jesus' gospel, it is Law but it also ended Law.

Matthew 5:17,
- Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets I did not come to destroy but to  fulfill

Ephesians 2:15,
- having abolished in His flesh the enmity that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances

Jesus taught He did not destroy the law of Moses.
Many take this as the Law is in effect, still binding today.

It's true He did not destroy it.
Jesus did not come to oppose the old law.
Fact: He kept the old law perfectly.
Instead He came to fulfill it.
Jesus did not treat the old law as bad or useless this is what He means by He did not come to destroy or oppose it but to fulfill it.

Jesus fulfillment of the law means Jesus completed its purpose.
He embodied it's TRUE meaning.
He accomplished its goal.

Jesus fulfilled the Law and abolished the law.
Jesus abolished the legal system of the old law(ritual ceremonies, codes).

Heres the big lesson I want every one to learn!!!!

Jesus abolished the wall of seperation between jew and gentile when He died.
That system(law of Moses) created DIVISION and could never fully save. It pointed forward to Christ.

To go back into keeping the old law, Sabbath keeping binding the 10 commandments or any other commandment under the old law causes division among Christians(jew, gentile).
Bondage (slavery). Galatians 4:9; 24
Seperation from Gods grace. Galatians 5:4
Spiritual division.Ephesians 2:14-15

Knowing Christ we are not to go back into the old law.
Galatians 4:9-10,
- but now after ye have known God...how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage....

Those who claim they keep or are under the old law do not understand that if you bind any of the old law of Moses YOU MUST KEEP ALL OF IT.
Which no one can do.
Acts 15:10,
- Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear

Galatians 5:3,
- for I testify again to every man that is circumcised that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE Law

You cannot keep 9 of the 10 commandments.
That would be guaranteed death in the old law.
And the same in the new.
The law was brought to completion by Jesus and He abolished the division between Jews and gentiles.

Romans 10:4,
- for Christ is the  end  of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth
End:
Christ is the goal or fulfillment of the law as a means of righteousness.
Christ is the purpose of the law.
Christ is the completion of the law.

Jesus is the reason the law was given.
He brings its purpose to completion.
So now righteousness comes by faith in Him, not by keeping the law of Moses.

 

[Titus]

You think no one is saved prior to being dunked in water ?

Do you really believe one must obey Jesus gospel commandments?
Acts 10:47-48,
- can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized which have recieved the Holy Spirit as well as we
- and Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord


Note: baptism in the name of the Lord is water baptism.
Can you be saved and not obey Jesus' new testament law?

Salvation through disobedience?
Salvation through obedience?

 

[civic]

Do you really believe one must obey Jesus gospel commandments?
Acts 10:47-48,
- can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized which have recieved the Holy Spirit as well as we
- and Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord


Note: baptism in the name of the Lord is water baptism.
Can you be saved and not obey Jesus' new testament law?

Salvation through disobedience?
Salvation through obedience?

Paul preached the gospel and many were saved and Paul did not baptize them.

And so many passages declare people were saved with no mention of baptism.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Do you really believe one must obey Jesus gospel commandments?
Acts 10:47-48,
- can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized which have recieved the Holy Spirit as well as we
- and Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord


Note: baptism in the name of the Lord is water baptism.
Can you be saved and not obey Jesus' new testament law?

Salvation through disobedience?
Salvation through obedience?

I knew it

Legalism 101

You believe your work saves you.

 

[civic]

I knew it

Legalism 101

You believe your work saves you.

Baptism should be the first act of obedience after one is saved. It doesn’t save anyone.

 

[Titus]

Baptism should be the first act of obedience after one is saved. It doesn’t save anyone.

Two questions.
What is the Biblical purpose of baptism. Give passage, passages.
Could one be saved if he chose not to be baptized?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Baptism should be the first act of obedience after one is saved. It doesn’t save anyone.

Yes we are baptized by God with the spiritual circumcision made without hands

 

[civic]

Two questions.
What is the Biblical purpose of baptism. Give passage, passages.
Could one be saved if he chose not to be baptized?

Was the thief in the cross saved ? Yes or no

 

[civic]

In Acts 10, Cornelius and his household receive the Holy Spirit while Peter is still speaking to them. They are then commanded to be baptized in water, indicating they were saved prior to their baptism

 

[Titus]

Paul preached the gospel and many were saved and Paul did not baptize them.

And so many passages declare people were saved with no mention of baptism.

There is only one gospel, Ephesians 4:4-5.
Therefore only one way to be saved, Romans 1:16.
So, people were not saved in diferent ways in the new testament.
If so there are different gospels for different people.

To know the full plan of God saving man you must know the whole sum on any subject.
Summation is how we know Jesus taught how He planned to save us.

For example,
Acts 2:38,
Peter tells them to repent and be baptized.
Did not tell them to believe.
If we cherry pick and ignore the sum. Then we come to the wrong conclusion.

We must find and study every conversion story to get the full picture on how the gospel saves.
Other verses do teach belief.
Acts 16:30-31,
Sirs, what must I do to be saved,
And they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved

We must learn how the Bible teaches.
Failure to learn how the Bible teaches will cause the reader to misunderstand scripture.

One of the things one must learn is the sum, summation.
Another is necessary inference.
Necessary inference is a method of interpreting Scripture where a conclusion is not directly stated.
But it is unavoidable or logically required based on what IS STATED.

We have Peter command water baptism.
That is stated!!!
That is a Biblical fact.
Then it must be necessarily inferred that Acts 2:38, repentance and baptism are commandments.

Can you be saved without obeying the commandment to repent?
Can you be saved without obeying the commandment to be immersed?

Summation proves when you dont read about belief or repentance or baptism in specific passages related to the conversion of souls.

What has already been said we infer that to where it was not mentioned.
Then you have the full picture of the gospel unto salvation.

So, just because you can find some passage in Acts that doesnt mention baptism that does not mean they weren't baptized.
Likewise with repentance or belief.
Put then all together.

Hear the gospel, Romans 10:17,
Believe the gospel, John 3:16.
Repent, Acts 2:38.
Confess faith in Christ, Romans 10:9-10; Acts 8:37-38.
Baptized into Christ, Acts 2:38 ; Acts 22:16 ; Acts 10:47-48 ; Acts 16:33 ; 1Peter 3:20-21 ; Colossians 2:12 ; Acts 8:12

If we cherry pick verses we will never understand the Bible.

 

[Titus]

In Acts 10, Cornelius and his household receive the Holy Spirit while Peter is still speaking to them. They are then commanded to be baptized in water, indicating they were saved prior to their baptism

Do you want to go into depth on Cornelius' conversion?

 

[Titus]

Was the thief in the cross saved ? Yes or no

Yes, under the law of Moses.
Under the old covenant not during the new covenant.

Remember friend, Jesus' will and testament did not go into force until Jesus died, Hebrew 9:16-17.
So, Jesus was still alive when He saved the thief. He said words while He was living.
Today you will be with Me in paradise.
Dead people dont talk.
Dead people dont tell you your saved.
The thief never was commanded to believe in the new testament gospel of Jesus.
Remember, To be saved under the new law, one was required to believe in the death, burial and ressurection of Christ, 1Corinthians 15:1-4.
The thief could not believe in the ressurection.
He died before Jesus rise from the dead.
Also,
It's a foolish argument to claim the thief was not baptized.

WE DONT KNOW IF HE WAS OR WAS NOT BAPTIZED.

So, it is pure speculation to claim he wasn't.
It's also foolish to say, how could he be baptized while on the cross.

HE DID NOT LIVE HIS ENTIRE LIFE ON A CROSS.

Did he get baptized in his past?
I don't know, but it is possible.
So I take neither position.

Anyone who claims he was not baptized.
Give book, chapter, and verse to prove your claim.
It cannot be done.

Anyways, the thief was not obligated to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
That's new testament gospel.
He never lived long enough to be accountable to Jesus gospel.
Again His gospel was not in force until His death, burial and ressurection. Hebrews 9:16-17.

No one will ever be saved on a cross next to Jesus ever again.
That was a one time event that will never be repeated.

Why is it that everyone wants to be saved like the thief on the cross but no one ever brings up the young rich ruler?

Jesus told him to be saved he had to give up all of his wealth.
That also was under the old covenant, the old law.

Funny, no one uses him as an example of salvation.

 

[civic]

There is only one gospel, Ephesians 4:4-5.
Therefore only one way to be saved, Romans 1:16.
So, people were not saved in diferent ways in the new testament.
If so there are different gospels for different people.

To know the full plan of God saving man you must know the whole sum on any subject.
Summation is how we know Jesus taught how He planned to save us.

For example,
Acts 2:38,
Peter tells them to repent and be baptized.
Did not tell them to believe.
If we cherry pick and ignore the sum. Then we come to the wrong conclusion.

We must find and study every conversion story to get the full picture on how the gospel saves.
Other verses do teach belief.
Acts 16:30-31,
Sirs, what must I do to be saved,
And they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved

We must learn how the Bible teaches.
Failure to learn how the Bible teaches will cause the reader to misunderstand scripture.

One of the things one must learn is the sum, summation.
Another is necessary inference.
Necessary inference is a method of interpreting Scripture where a conclusion is not directly stated.
But it is unavoidable or logically required based on what IS STATED.

We have Peter command water baptism.
That is stated!!!
That is a Biblical fact.
Then it must be necessarily inferred that Acts 2:38, repentance and baptism are commandments.

Can you be saved without obeying the commandment to repent?
Can you be saved without obeying the commandment to be immersed?

Summation proves when you dont read about belief or repentance or baptism in specific passages related to the conversion of souls.

What has already been said we infer that to where it was not mentioned.
Then you have the full picture of the gospel unto salvation.

So, just because you can find some passage in Acts that doesnt mention baptism that does not mean they weren't baptized.
Likewise with repentance or belief.
Put then all together.

Hear the gospel, Romans 10:17,
Believe the gospel, John 3:16.
Repent, Acts 2:38.
Confess faith in Christ, Romans 10:9-10; Acts 8:37-38.
Baptized into Christ, Acts 2:38 ; Acts 22:16 ; Acts 10:47-48 ; Acts 16:33 ; 1Peter 3:20-21 ; Colossians 2:12 ; Acts 8:12

If we cherry pick verses we will never understand the Bible.

Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation. To add anything to the gospel is to say that Jesus’ death on the cross was not sufficient to purchase our salvation. To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works and obedience to Christ’s death in order to make it sufficient for salvation. Jesus’ death alone paid for our sins (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus’ payment for our sins is appropriated to our “account” by faith alone (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9). Therefore, baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation but cannot be a requirement for salvation.

Yes, there are some verses that seem to indicate baptism as a requirement for salvation. However, since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5), there must be a different interpretation of those verses. Scripture does not contradict Scripture. In Bible times, a person who converted from one religion to another was often baptized to identify conversion. Baptism was the means of making a decision public. Those who refused to be baptized were saying they did not truly believe. So, in the minds of the apostles and early disciples, the idea of an un-baptized believer was unheard of. When a person claimed to believe in Christ, yet was ashamed to proclaim his faith in public, it indicated that he did not have true faith.

If baptism is necessary for salvation, why would Paul have said, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius” (1 Corinthians 1:14)? Why would he have said, “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power” (1 Corinthians 1:17)? Granted, in this passage Paul is arguing against the divisions that plagued the Corinthian church. However, how could Paul possibly say, “I am thankful that I did not baptize…” or “For Christ did not send me to baptize…” if baptism were necessary for salvation? If baptism is necessary for salvation, Paul would literally be saying, “I am thankful that you were not saved…” and “For Christ did not send me to save…” That would be an unbelievably ridiculous statement for Paul to make. Further, when Paul gives a detailed outline of what he considers the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-8), why does he neglect to mention baptism? If baptism is a requirement for salvation, how could any presentation of the gospel lack a mention of baptism?

Does Acts 2:38 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Does John 3:5 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Does Acts 22:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Does Galatians 3:27 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Baptism does not save from sin but from a bad conscience. In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter clearly taught that baptism was not a ceremonial act of physical purification, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. Baptism is the symbol of what has already occurred in the heart and life of one who has trusted Christ as Savior (Romans 6:3-5; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12). Baptism is an important step of obedience that every Christian should take. Baptism cannot be a requirement for salvation. To make it such is an attack on the sufficiency of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[Titus]

Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation.

Does God teach in His gospel that He requires us to do nothing ?
Is that what you are teaching?
I appreciate your concern for my spiritual welfare.

 

[Titus]

Baptism should be the first act of obedience after one is saved. It doesn’t save anyone

You said it should be.
What if the don't get baptized?
What if they never obey this command?
Are they still saved?

By what authority are you teaching the commandment of belief is essential, 1John 3:23-24.
But other commandments of God are non- essential?
By what authority did you make this judgment?

 

[Titus]

Baptism should be the first act of obedience after one is saved.

Revelation 2:5,
- Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen and  repent and do the FIRST WORKS or else I will come unto thee quickly and will remove thy candlesticks out of thy place except thou repent

Jesus requires works to be saved, first works.

 

[civic]

You said it should be.
What if the don't get baptized?
What if they never obey this command?
Are they still saved?

By what authority are you teaching the commandment of belief is essential, 1John 3:23-24.
But other commandments of God are non- essential?
By what authority did you make this judgment?

When a person believes the gospel message, confesses Christ as Lord , believes in their heart God raised Him from the dead they shall be saved as per Romans 10:9-13. Baptism follows salvation, is subsequent, follows in sequence to the regeneration of the heart being born again from above having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as a down payment.

So do you believe a person can lose their eternal life/salvation ? yes or no