How many self’s is God himself?

[Diserner]

“God is an office.”

Would you say then that the Trinity is three offices?

Yes, there is inter-Trinitarian hierarchy and roles.

The Father is in an office of authority, and the Spirit is executor, and the Son is mediator.

 

[Matthias]

Yes, there is inter-Trinitarian hierarchy and roles.

The Father is in an office of authority, and the Spirit is executor, and the Son is mediator.

It looks to me like the Father has the penthouse suite in that model.

 

[Wrangler]

Self is a bit of an abstract word.

LOL. That’s funny right there.

 

[Wrangler]

There is a sense of corporate singular pronouns, and this is an extremely common not located in just one language.

Just posted in the CNN news is this line:

"But today we see that Russia itself is in need of weapons."

Now, is Russia really just one self?

Russia is not a pronoun.

 

[Wrangler]

When God (the Trinity) says, “I myself…”, how does the trinitarian know which one of the three “I”s (of the Trinity) is speaking?

I read it as the plural unity.

That’s some intellectual gymnastics there. As I wrote, why the trinity is wrong: definition.

 

[Diserner]

Russia is not a pronoun.

We are speaking of "itself" here.

 

[Wrangler]

God is One and God is Three.
God is Divine and God is human
God is Spirit and God is flesh
God is Immortal and God is mortal

Dr. Seus?

 

[Diserner]

It looks to me like the Father has the penthouse suite in that model.

Remember love is other-oriented.

Christ was said that he could use his form of God to his own advantage if he wanted.

This love is an attribute of God.


Would it be harder to see your wife suffer and die, or you to suffer and die for her?

It's okay if your answer turns out selfish, lol, but perhaps can give more a glimpse of God.

 

[Diserner]

That’s some intellectual gymnastics there. As I wrote, why the trinity is wrong: definition.

It's really not.

Jacob and Israel are used as singular pronouns in Scripture to refer to the whole nation.

According to you that's "mental gymnastics."

According to me it's basic grammar.

 

[Matthias]

Dr. Seus?

“It’s fun to have fun but you have to know how.”

My favorite Dr. Seuss quote. I use it far more often than I would care to admit to.

 

[Matthias]

Remember love is other-oriented.

Christ was said that he could use his form of God to his own advantage if he wanted.

This love is an attribute of God.


Would it be harder to see your wife suffer and die, or you to suffer and die for her?

It's okay if your answer turns out selfish, lol, but perhaps can give more a glimpse of God.

It would be harder for me to watch my wife suffer and die. I would surrender my life in order to preserve hers, if it were possible.

 

[Wrangler]

We are speaking of "itself" here.

Oh, Ok. Thanks. Thanks for clearing that up.

‘It’ is a pronoun referring to things not a person or Being. @Matthias presented Scripture referencing God as ‘I’ and ‘myself’ not ‘itself.’ Why are you changing the Scriptural reference?

 

[APAK]

The Messiah’s God isn’t.

The Messiah’s God isn’t.

God is One and God is Three.
God is Divine and God is human
God is Spirit and God is flesh
God is Immortal and God is mortal

So your God is both the creator and one of its creations then? Are you sure you don't mean God was in/indwelt in one of his creations for a purpose? Scripture would agree with that reality, for sure.

 

[Diserner]

Why are you changing the Scriptural reference?

I'm not.

You're simply misrepresenting my point, I'd guess, by not really paying much attention.

 

[Diserner]

It would be harder for me to watch my wife suffer and die. I would surrender my life in order to preserve hers, if it were possible.

Some ancient theologians speculated the Trinity might have each wanted to be the one to sacrifice for humanity.

It's an interesting thought.

 

[Matthias]

Some ancient theologians speculated the Trinity might have each wanted to be the one to sacrifice for humanity.

It's an interesting thought.

I heard a trinitarian pastor (I think he was a Methodist, but might not have been) say (he was joking, to capture the attention of a drowsy congregation) that ”They would have drawn straws for it but the decision was made amongst ‘em before the creation of straws, so they had to figger out another way of deciding who it was gonna be.” (The best I can do from memory, now.) He quickly added that he didn‘t know who said what to who but it really doesn’t matter anyway; we know who did. He also said that we would probably be able to ask them about it sometime, because eternity is a lot of time to fill and conversation is bound to dry up from time to time.

P.S.

Appalachian preachers are something else.

I never did see a snake handling service in person, but I‘ve always wanted to. There are still churches in eastern Kentucky that hold them. One of these days I’m going to jump in my car some Sunday morning, drive east a couple of hours, and grab a seat near the back of the sanctuary.

 

[e v e]

God is our father. He is one being.

 

[e v e]

in a huge step down....
Christ volunteered to come here
for us and incarnated in the fleshbody

 

[e v e]

It looks to me like the Father has the penthouse suite in that model.

yes...

And His attributes are His hands...

 

[Matthias]

The Messiah’s own God is the Father, not the Trinity.

If you happen upon a Jesus who says his God is the Trinity then you’ve happened upon a Jesus who isn’t Jesus of Nazareth.

How many selves is the Messiah’s God? How many selves is the Father?

One.