Spurgeon is well known as a REFORMED BAPTIST. He used Keach'S Catechism,and the 1689 COF.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Glorification in Election
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
praise_yeshua
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Geesh.
Spurgeon said, “I love the name Calvin, but always regard him as sitting on one side of the room; and I love the name of Wesley, but I regard him as occupying another side place in the assembly…I am myself persuaded that the points of the Calvinist alone is right upon some points, and the Arminian alone is right upon others.
Spurgeon went on to say, “There is a great deal of truth in the positive side of both systems, and a great deal of error in the negative side of both systems. If I were asked, ‘Why is a man damned?’ I should answer as an Arminian answers, ‘He destroys himself’. I should not dare to lay man’s ruin at the door of Divine sovereignty. On the other hand, if I were asked, ‘Why is a man saved?’ I could only give the Calvinist answer, ‘He is saved through the sovereign grace of God, and not at all of himself.”
civic
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Sounds just a confused Calvinist
No He did'not. Here Is What he said;
It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are truly and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus. By this truth I make my pilgrimage into the past, and as I go, I see father after father, confessor after confessor, martyr after martyr, standing up to shake hands with me . . . Taking these things to be the standard of my faith, I see the land of the ancients peopled with my brethren; I behold multitudes who confess the same as I do, and acknowledge that this is the religion of God's own church. (Spurgeon's Sovereign Grace Sermons, Still Waters Revival Books, p. 170).
I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross. (Charles Spurgeon, The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856).
It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are truly and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus. By this truth I make my pilgrimage into the past, and as I go, I see father after father, confessor after confessor, martyr after martyr, standing up to shake hands with me . . . Taking these things to be the standard of my faith, I see the land of the ancients peopled with my brethren; I behold multitudes who confess the same as I do, and acknowledge that this is the religion of God's own church. (Spurgeon's Sovereign Grace Sermons, Still Waters Revival Books, p. 170).
I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross. (Charles Spurgeon, The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856).
Was Charles Spurgeon a Calvinist?
Nathan W. Bingham
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Was Charles Spurgeon a Calvinist? The Prince of Preachers himself answers this question in the affirmative:
In Dr. Steven Lawson’s book, The Gospel Focus of Charles Spurgeon, Dr. Lawson argues that not only was Spurgeon a Calvinist, but his fervent commitment to the doctrines of grace actually “sharpened” his “gospel focus.”
We’ve compiled several adapted excerpts from The Gospel Focus of Charles Spurgeon to outline Spurgeon’s beliefs concerning the sovereignty of God in salvation.
Note: The eBook edition of Dr. Lawson’s The Gospel Focus of Charles Spurgeon is a free download in November.
Total Depravity
For Spurgeon, total depravity was where the message of the gospel begins. The saving message of grace starts with total depravity. Man is entirely corrupted by sin. He is spiritually dead and unable to save himself. He could not be more hopeless and helpless.
Simply put, Spurgeon believed that no human will is entirely free. It is either a slave of sin or a slave of Christ, but never free.
Unconditional Election
By necessity, unconditional election flows from belief in human depravity. Because the will of man is utterly dead and cannot choose God, God must exercise His sovereign will to save. Out of the mass of fallen humanity, God made an eternal, distinguishing choice. Before the foundation of the world, He determined whom He would save. Spurgeon contended that were it not for God's choice of His elect, none would be saved.
Like all the doctrines that Spurgeon held, he believed this truth because he was convinced it is rooted and grounded in the Bible:
Definite Atonement
Charles Spurgeon strongly affirmed the doctrine of definite atonement. This truth teaches that Christ died exclusively for those chosen by the Father and, thus, actually secured the salvation of all those for whom He died. Such a definite redemption stands in contrast to the Arminian view, which claims that Christ did not actually save anyone in particular by His death, but merely made salvation possible for everyone. Spurgeon adamantly rejected this vague position:
Such a nebulous belief, he insisted, grossly dishonors God, especially His justice, and distorts the saving purpose of Christ in His substitutionary death.
Irresistible Grace
God’s sovereign call, Spurgeon affirmed, is far more powerful than any man’s resistance:
This means no one is beyond the saving power of God:
In short, no human heart is so obstinate that the Spirit cannot conquer and convert it.
Preserving Grace
Preserving grace became a key component of Spurgeon’s gospel focus. Without it, he claimed, he would not be able to preach: “If anybody could possibly convince me that final perseverance is not a truth of the Bible, I should never preach again, for I feel I should have nothing worth preaching.” Simply put, the perseverance of the saints was a necessary link in the unbreakable golden chain of salvation that he preached.
praise_yeshua
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He changed significantly over his life. He is very popular with both Calvinist and Arminian Baptist because of this. They both claim him. He started out very much influenced by John Gill and others. He was very young. As he aged, he embraced both Arminianism and Calvinism equally. I know because I've have been around Baptists my entire life. Most people just post a quote or two they find on Twitter or Wikipedia. It is the difference between experience and letting others study for them.
praise_yeshua
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Early quotes. You need to learn more before you make such claims.
praise_yeshua
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Go Google some more and pretend you've actually studied his entire life. You should realize by now that most everything you read is just part of the actual story.
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I own Spurgeons sermons. I know what he taught. Edited
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I own all his sermons, His sermon notes, edited
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civic
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Yes quote mining. The fact is Spurgeon is contradicting his own beliefs.
praise_yeshua
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Then show that the words I quoted from Spurgeon are not real. I know Spurgeon better than you do. It doesn't help that you own his sermons yet never read them all. What I said is true and you can't challenge the very words I posted from him. Who is wrong here?
praise_yeshua
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So you claim those words didn't come from Spurgeon? Just admit you didn't know. Claiming I'm a liar with evidence of my lie is a reflection of your own poor ethics.
praise_yeshua
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People can see how angry others become when they get caught showing how little they know about someone. Calvin often contradicted himself.
It is good that men change. Spurgeon proves that is a mistake to believe men are to be the source of truth. I very seldom get into arguments of this sort because I know I have changed myself. I said some rather dumb things when I was young about God. Honest men admit when they have. I've been in rooms full of boxes that those men never actually read.
civic
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ditto
Seriously guys you know better than that. Let's clean up our act and move on. Think Golden Rule!
