Strawman. No one says He does it for you.
Exactly. Now your catching on.
I agree. It comes from God.
Free-willer Straw Man Argument
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Exactly. Now your catching on.
I agree. It comes from God.
Nothing about God choosing you because you chose Him. No mention of His choice being contingent.
Notice it's the "you" chosen in Christ. When? From the foundation of the world. How is that possible if you did not exist yet and foreknowledge is not determinitive.
Did you readNothing about God choosing you because you chose Him. No mention of His choice being contingent.
Notice it's the "you" chosen in Christ. When? From the foundation of the world. How is that possible if you did not exist yet and foreknowledge is not determinitive.
Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Ephesians 1:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
election here is in Christ
Do you know how one comes to be in Christ?
No mention of election in the text.
The chosen is "us". Nothing about God choosing them because they chose Him.
And my point, which was ignored, is that how is that possible since you were not around from the foundation of the world. Foreknowledge is not determinitive remember?
Nope. False dichotomy.
I just did. Your posts are a prime example.
Let's try this. Where does your faith come from?
My judgement is spot on.
If that were true, you would not be advocating Calvinism
Duh
elect means to choose
My Bible Word Study
Lemma
ἐκλέγομαι eklegomai choose; select; choose (for oneself); pick out; elect
LXGNTLEX choose; select; choose (for oneself)
LXLXXLEX choose; pick out; elect
BAGD
and the choice is of those in Him
Ephesians 1:4 (NASB 2020) — 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
(Etheridge) as he before elected us in him, from before the foundations of the world, that we should be saints, and without blemish before him, and in love predesignated us unto himself,
Again do you know how one gets to be in him?
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Sorry that is but an empty claim
Biblical Faith is man's response to God's truth
It, faith involves trust, it is something man must do.
It comes from an ability given to all men and a willingness to commit ones self to the object of that faith
Sure I would and will.
"That was easy" because you skipped over proving that. You must prove that your stated means of regeneration and resurrection are not conditions/requirements of election onto salvation. In other words, how can you possibly be saved without the condition of being regenerated or resurrected? Is that a new branch of humanoids we're talking about here, much like Calvinism's Living Dead?
You simply walked away from explaining yourself. I expected nothing less than for a Calvinist to walk away from having to explain their logic because there is none. Yours is just typical wacky logic once again from Calvinists.
Sure it is. There are not only two options. FALSE DICHOTOMY
The claim was yours dude. Now you wish to shift the burden of proof? Election is conditional. One claim"That was easy" because you skipped over proving that. You must prove that your position that your stated means of regeneration and resurrection are not conditions/requirements of election onto salvation. In other words, how can you possibly be saved without the condition of being regenerated or resurrected? Is that a new branch of humanoids we're talking about here, much like Calvinism's Living Dead?
You simply walked away from explaining yourself. I expected nothing less than for a Calvinist to walk away from having to explain their logic because there is none. It's just typical wacky logic once again from Calvinists.
God chooses those who choose Him.
Now that's wacky as well as unBiblical
Thank you professor. LOL Elect means to choose. Good. Where does it say you elect yourself?
How were then in Him when they did not exist then? Keeping in mind this choice was made from the foundation of the world.
Your simply dodging and deflecting my point. Provisionist have a problem. How do they explain their position and still maintain their montra foreknowledge is not determinitive.
The Rogue Tomato
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If that was true, you'd think the Bible would say so explicitly in many places. But there's no such text that says God elects those who choose Him, let alone any mention of choosing Him of our own free will.
You're totally confused. Your "election is conditional" statement above contradicts your statement below.
This is a classic case of wacky contradictory logic typical of Calvinists.
