Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[Dizerner]

And I was right about Jim he has no idea who he is and came to his own conclusions without outside influences , just himself, Gods word and the Holy Spirit.

Nice red herring to pat yourself on the back. You can do that all you want.

But you still slandered my motivations, and you've done it many times before.

 

[civic]

No, Jesus was apart from sin.

We do not all start out as pure and holy Jesuses.

Next.

No one is guilty of sin until they sin.

Next fallacy

 

[Dizerner]

Nope He came in the same flesh and human nature as all men.

JESUS WAS GOD.

YOU ARE NOT.

NEXT.

 

[civic]

Nice red herring to pat yourself on the back. You can do that all you want.

But you still slandered my motivations, and you've done it many times before.

I didn’t slander.

What would you have said if he follows flowers ?

 

[civic]

JESUS WAS GOD.

YOU ARE NOT.

NEXT.

And He was man, came in the flesh , was human in every way like us read Hebrews. But He did not sin.

 

[civic]

You must believe in the false doctrine sin is passed through sperm

 

[Dizerner]

I didn’t slander.

What would you have said if he follows flowers ?

You 100% slandered, and now you lied about it.

I would not have said anything, I would have tailored my comments to critique Dr. Flower's specific views.

You are acting so slimy man.

That's not an "ad hominem" by the way, you don't understand the definition of that properly

An "ad hominem" fallacy is saying a person is wrong because they are inferior in some way.

I am NOT addressing your ARGUMENT at all.

I am addressing YOUR ACTIONS morally as a person.

And it's called a "rebuke" not an "ad hominem."

You constantly make that logical mistake.

 

[Dizerner]

And He was man, came in the flesh , was human in every way like us read Hebrews. But He did not sin.

If Jesus were GOD, then by definition you are not "just like him."

That's incredibly arrogant to even think.

Yeah, you can see underneath this denial of our sin nature and need for grace, is just straight up human pride.

 

[civic]

If Jesus were GOD, then by definition you are not "just like him."

That's incredibly arrogant to even think.

Yeah, you can see underneath this denial of our sin nature and need for grace, is just straight up human pride.

Would Jesus died of “ natural “ causes like all men if He was not crucified in His old age ? Yes or no

 

[Jim]

No, Jesus was apart from sin.

Only by choice.

We do not all start out as pure and holy Jesuses.

We do indeed start out as pure and holy. God forms the spirit in us. That spirit formed in us is not dead. It becomes dead when we sin. Only then do we become dead in trespasses and sin.

 

[civic]

Only by choice.

We do indeed start out as pure and holy. God forms the spirit in us. That spirit formed in us is not dead. It becomes dead when we sin. Only then do we become dead in trespasses and sin.

Yes we are created in the image of God which is why man is valued by his Creator and is redeemable. Original sin heresy by Augustine has duped the church. None of the ECF’s before him believed that false doctrine.

 

[civic]

Would Jesus died of “ natural “ causes like all men if He was not crucified in His old age ? Yes or no

Crickets

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

No, I haven't forgotten. I just do not agree that God is displeased that the unregenerate mother loves and nurses her baby.

I never said he was not, it is something that even the animals of this world do for their young. It is call natural instinct.

And I am not sure what you mean by "of a spiritual nature/act". Is a mother nursing her baby of a spiritual nature/act?

Oh Jim, please...you know exactly what I mean. Nursing babies is far from being a spiritual act of obedience to the scriptures. I got better things to do with my time,.