Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[Jim]

it still did nto save them

I never said otherwise

what are you babbling about

Your telling me things I believe then act is if I do not believe it

and you wonder why I act the way I do when you respond.

Have you not questioned the fact that we are indeed saved through works?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So you lost your free will to believe or not when you were saved? I don't think so.

so you have conditional life not eternal life?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Have you not questioned the fact that we are indeed saved through works?

why would I do that. and cause the bible to contradict itself?

 

[Nannette]

So you lost your free will to believe or not when you were saved? I don't think so.

His sheep are bought and paid for by His blood. You just can't undo that. Once a believer always a believer.

 

[Begotten]

His sheep are bought and paid for by His blood. You just can't undo that. Once a believer always a believer.

Right, Jesus is described as the author and perfecter, or finisher, of our faith in Hebrews 12:2. An author is an originator or creator, as of a theory or plan.

Perfecter means literally “completer” or “finisher” and speaks of bringing something to its conclusion. Putting the two words together, we see that Jesus, as God, both creates and sustains our faith.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

His sheep are bought and paid for by His blood. You just can't undo that. Once a believer always a believer.

I wonder what God would do to cause a person to lose faith?

I mean does God fail us?

He may not give us all he want. but if that causes you to lose faith. was your faith real to begin with? were you trusting a savior or a Genie?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Right, Jesus is described as the author and perfecter, or finisher, of our faith in Hebrews 12:2. An author is an originator or creator, as of a theory or plan.

Perfecter means literally “completer” or “finisher” and speaks of bringing something to its conclusion. Putting the two words together, we see that Jesus, as God, both creates and sustains our faith.

Amen!! it is God who gets the glory. not us

 

[Begotten]

Amen!! it is God who gets the glory. not us

Yup, funny how man wants so much to have his hand in salvation. If that were the case Heaven might be a lonely place.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yup, funny how man wants so much to have his hand in salvation. If that were the case Heaven might be a lonely place.

sadly. 90% of the earth's religions (including them who call themselves of Christ) believe this works based Gospel.

 

[Believer]

So you lost your free will to believe or not when you were saved? I don't think so.

Once you have tasted the goodness of Jesus why would you want to leave that. Thats like getting out of prison doing a life with out parole sentence, then wanting to go back.

 

[JLB]

show me where I claimed this?

I do not live in sin, I have been born of God. he changed me,

don;t you trust God?

I trust Him which is why I obey Him.


Eternal salvation is for those who obey Him.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
Hebrews 5:9

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I trust Him which is why I obey Him.

To get saved
Stay saved
Or because you are saved forever

Eternal salvation is for those who obey Him.

Yes we all obey him

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
Hebrews 5:9

Yes

We are saved.

 

[mailmandan]

Making up words such as “nominal” Christian is at best deceitful.

As if the Bible is a special set of instructions for special Christians. Nonsense.

It's not nonsense at all. John states the person who SAYS (key word) they know Him yet demonstrates otherwise by not keeping His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. This claim of knowing Him by such a person is an empty profession. Hence, "nominal" (in name only) Christian. False claim.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4

He refers to any person who says he has eternal life (I know Him).

"Nominal" Christians can say/claim all day long that they know Him, but that does not make it the truth. Those who truly know Him demonstrate it through their actions. Just as we see in James 2:14-24. In regard to knowing Him.

In John 17:3, we read - 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.

Keeping His commandments is the way of love; loving God and loving His children.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

His commandments are not burdensome to born again Christians.

His commandments are not burdensome for those who are born again. Christians. Loving God and loving His children is the demonstrative evidence that we know Him and are born of God. (1 John 2:3; 4:7)

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Descriptive of those who are born of God.

Keeping His commandments are the way we remain in Christ.

Keeping his commandments is not about "type 2 works salvation" or salvation by works at the back door. The word "abide" is from the Greek word "meno" which means to remain, tarry, not to depart, continue to be present.

This is not something that only super saints do but all genuine born again Christians. 1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit... 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

 Those who fail to abide (like Judas Iscariot) demonstrate that their faith was never firmly rooted and established from the beginning. Judas may have looked like the real deal for a while, but Jesus exposed him as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)