Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Once again teaching water baptism to be saved

Ps

Jesus told nicodemus he must be born again. Literally a second time

Nicodemus asked if he is to go to his mothers womb again

Jesus answer. One must be born 2 time

Of water (flesh) which everyone has

And spirit. Which we are told how later. He who believes. Faith in God. Trust him and the cross

They trust WHO . JESUS or another jesus . this is deadly serious we understand this .
JESUS aint in the buisness of contradicting a word one HE said and the apostels recorded IN them gospels
JESUS aint in the business of twisting the letters of the apostels TO SUIT THE AGE WE LIVE IN .
I never once seen a female apostel called
I never once seen JESUS honoring second and third marriages done wrong .
I never seen paul do it either
or peter . I never seen ONCE JESUS
try and pander to please man in order to get people to hear him .
Nor the apostels . THEY SPOKE TRUTH . they SPOKE TRUTH .
There is literally probably a short book i could write listing the problems in these churches today .
BUt let me sum it up real simple for us all . MANY are following antoher jesus and that one CANNOT save .

 

[Studyman]

I see now why he did.

He does believe Christians who violate the Sabbath should be put to death.

He doesn’t practice what he believes like most but he does believe it.

Thank you Jesus for showing me, out of their own mouth, what is in their hearts.

 

[JLB]

But the problem is, you will not answer. You will not engage in honest discussion. rather only insofar as you can justify yourself.

Keeping speaking this into the mirror until you see.

 

[JLB]

Thank you Jesus for showing me, out of their own mouth, what is in their hearts.

Thank you Lord for exposing the deception this person is walking in, to believe that Christians should be stoned to death for violating the Sabbath laws required by Moses.


I guess we will move on to the next question:

Do you believe men are required to be physically circumcised according to the law of Moses in order to be saved?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Thank you Lord for exposing the deception this person is walking in, to believe that Christians should be stoned to death for violating the Sabbath laws required by Moses.


I guess we will move on to the next question:

Do you believe men are required to be physically circumcised according to the law of Moses in order to be saved?

No .
Now i have a question and let us see if we can discern this simple truth .
In no way are we too look to the law for any kind of justification or to be saved etc ..
But now let me ask you a question .
DO you beleive its still sin for man to lie with man . There is a reason i ask this
because i have seen what men have done in the name of what they claim is love
and claiming we are not under the law .
THEY MAKE VOID the law , the RIGHTEOUSNESS of IT . that is what i speak about .
i aint talking about ceremonies , circumsions , meats , drinks , days .
I am talking about THE ACTUAL RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law .
IN other words many have lied to this people .
THEY have used partial truths like meats , drinks days
BUT TURNED AROUND to then say SINS themselves are even omitted . allowing man with man
allowing many things . THESE DO NOT KNOW GOD , DO NOT HAVE HIS LOVE And Grace
cause love , the LOVE OF GOD FULLFILLS the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law
IT DONT TRANGRESS IT and call it LOVE .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Thank you Lord for exposing the deception this person is walking in, to believe that Christians should be stoned to death for violating the Sabbath laws required by Moses.


I guess we will move on to the next question:

Do you believe men are required to be physically circumcised according to the law of Moses in order to be saved?

What if i told you
that many , SUCH AS EVEN I ONCE COULD DO , can lip the name of JESUS
and yet DO NOT KNOW HIM at all .
You see even i could at one time claim to BELEIVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST
but i sure didnt seem to beleive HIS WORDS .
What a delusion i was in my friend .
What a delusion i was in indeed .
Many are following another jesus . AND WILL WAIL LOUDLY in all out fear and agony ON HIS DAY .
Seeing i was once one of the worst
deserving naught but the worst damnation the lake of fire could offer up
AND seeing GOD sent grace to awaken me .
WELL BY THIS GRACE i shall do all for the sakes of the peoples . BUT
as we both know MANY NO LIKEY this sheep one little bit . Me thinks we both know what i talk about my friend .
Many put this sheep on ignore and want nothing to do with me .
MAY the LORD FORGIVE THEM and bring them THE GRACE TO SEE that they may be delievered from HIS wrath
and enter into eternal life . OH i gots many who desire nothing to do with me .
Cause i expose all sin and errors i see . This sheep aint in the business of picking and choosing .

 

[JLB]

In no way are we too look to the law for any kind of justification or to be saved etc ..

Amen.

DO you beleive its still sin for man to lie with man

Yes of course.

As well as lie, steal, idolatry, sorcery, adultery and on and on and on.

Also, don’t forget covetousness, which is idolatry.

Stubbornness which is idolatry.

Overeating which is idolatry; making your belly your god.


But here is the thing, these did not originate with Moses.


Abraham walked in obedience to the laws and commandment of the Lord 430 years before Moses gave the law, in which he learned these things directly from the Lord by faith; which means walking in His presence, and hearing and obeying His Voice.


because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.
Genesis 26:5


Here is the charge Abraham obeyed which was how Abraham was able to keep His commandments.


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” Genesis 17:1-2


Walk before Me and be blameless is the key.

Walk in My presence and you will be blameless.


Here’s how the Lord says it today…

Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.


By the way, it was Jesus who made covenant with Abraham before He became flesh.

 

[JLB]

What if i told you
that many , SUCH AS EVEN I ONCE COULD DO , can lip the name of JESUS
and yet DO NOT KNOW HIM at all .

I would say you would be saying the same thing I teach.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Amen.



Yes of course.

As well as lie, steal, idolatry, sorcery, adultery and on and on and on.

Also, don’t forget covetousness, which is idolatry.

Stubbornness which is idolatry.

Overeating which is idolatry; making your belly your god.


But here is the thing, these did not originate with Moses.


Abraham walked in obedience to the laws and commandment of the Lord 430 years before Moses gave the law, in which he learned these things directly from the Lord by faith; which means walking in His presence, and hearing and obeying His Voice.


because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.
Genesis 26:5


Here is the charge Abraham obeyed which was how Abraham was able to keep His commandments.


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” Genesis 17:1-2


Walk before Me and be blameless is the key.

Walk in My presence and you will be blameless.


Here’s how the Lord says it today…

Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.


By the way, it was Jesus who made covenant with Abraham before He became flesh.

Abraham saw MY day and HE REJOICED .
now lets look real closely at what the name given by abraham was called .
JEHOVAH JIREH . in the mountain of the LORD it shall be seen and provided .
Abraham had the gospel preached to him . AND IN THY SEEED shall all nations be blessed .
HE knew . He died in faith as did many others . the prophets , they prophesied of THE CHRIST as well .
many died in faith not having recieved the promise . BUT FAITH THEY DID HAVE in HE who was to come .
And now we have recieved the promise
but we too await the promise OF HIS RETURN . many since the days of the apostles
have waited for the very event THIS GENERATION IS GONNA SEE my friend .
And JESUS shall bring those who sleep in HIM with him and we who are alive and have remained
shall be caught up in the clouds forever with THE KING who saved us .
Tick tock . tic , tic tic tic , TIMES RUNNING OUT .
WHEN the SON OF MAN ARISES and SHUTS the DOOR
ALL OUTSIDE WILL WAIL . But all inside shall rejoice WITH HE WHO SAVED US .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

To count the footsteps we have made in this life is high .
But why look back and count those steps .
SOON enough the last footstep on this earth will surely come .
WHEN IT DO , WHO WE LOVED BELIEVED IN and HAD FOLLOWED
is gonna determine whether we WAIL or we REJOICE .
and another jesus cannot save . BUT JESUS can . TIME to open bibles and let us learn that JESUS
HIS WORDS and all holy pure and lovey doctrine inspired OF GOD .

 

[Studyman]

No .
Now i have a question and let us see if we can discern this simple truth .
In no way are we too look to the law for any kind of justification or to be saved etc ..
But now let me ask you a question .
DO you beleive its still sin for man to lie with man . There is a reason i ask this
because i have seen what men have done in the name of what they claim is love
and claiming we are not under the law .
THEY MAKE VOID the law , the RIGHTEOUSNESS of IT . that is what i speak about .
i aint talking about ceremonies , circumsions , meats , drinks , days .
I am talking about THE ACTUAL RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law .

I understand the popular religious traditions of this world's religious system. Was it not the same in Jesus Time? I'm glad to answer your question, it just would be nice sometime if these preachers on this forum who promote their religion, would answer my questions. But they seldom ever do. It's get's under my skin sometime and satan knows it, that is why they do it no doubt.

And I agree that God didn't sanction the traditions popular in the world today by promoting that God said, "And for this reason man shall leave his father and mother, and be joined with another man, and they shall become one".

My argument with this world's latest preacher, is about what is written in Scriptures. I just got sucking into an argument, to my shame, with someone who preaches to the world that God's Laws instructed you and I to kill Adulterers, or the transgressors of other commandments of God.

Do you really believe my friend, that you or I are tasked, according to God's Law, with killing a man who sleeps with another man? Or that you and I are tasked with killing an adulterous person, or a murderer, or anyone with the exception of Spiritually crucifying the man of Sin that exists within us?

I would be so shocked if there are more than Civic and JLB who preach that God's Laws instruct you are I to murder people, and if we don't, then we are disobeying God and are guilty of breaking all the Commandments.

You are not really buying into JLB's religion are you? And if so, please show me why?

IN other words many have lied to this people .
THEY have used partial truths like meats , drinks days
BUT TURNED AROUND to then say SINS themselves are even omitted . allowing man with man
allowing many things . THESE DO NOT KNOW GOD , DO NOT HAVE HIS LOVE And Grace
cause love , the LOVE OF GOD FULLFILLS the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law
IT DONT TRANGRESS IT and call it LOVE .

I appreciate that, but the argument you have replied to, is the teaching of JLB, and now apparently Civic, which preaches that God's Law commands you and I to kill people who sin against God, however a person believes God defines Sin.

And he teaches that if I don't kill others, then I am guilty of transgressing God's Commandment, and if I break one, I have broken them all. So if I don't kill others for their sin, I am living in Iniquity.

I don't believe God's Laws promote such a comment for you and I, to kill another person for any reason, or for any sin.

Do you believe God gave you this commandment?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Before I give you my point of view, tell me what exactly you do not agree within the passage (John 3:5) that @Jim quoted in the Greek.

(John 3:5) Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

That water equals baptism

 

[civic]

I understand the popular religious traditions of this world's religious system. Was it not the same in Jesus Time? I'm glad to answer your question, it just would be nice sometime if these preachers on this forum who promote their religion, would answer my questions. But they seldom ever do. It's get's under my skin sometime and satan knows it, that is why they do it no doubt.

And I agree that God didn't sanction the traditions popular in the world today by promoting that God said, "And for this reason man shall leave his father and mother, and be joined with another man, and they shall become one".

My argument with this world's latest preacher, is about what is written in Scriptures. I just got sucking into an argument, to my shame, with someone who preaches to the world that God's Laws instructed you and I to kill Adulterers, or the transgressors of other commandments of God.

Do you really believe my friend, that you or I are tasked, according to God's Law, with killing a man who sleeps with another man? Or that you and I are tasked with killing an adulterous person, or a murderer, or anyone with the exception of Spiritually crucifying the man of Sin that exists within us?

I would be so shocked if there are more than Civic and JLB who preach that God's Laws instruct you are I to murder people, and if we don't, then we are disobeying God and are guilty of breaking all the Commandments.

You are not really buying into JLB's religion are you? And if so, please show me why?




I appreciate that, but the argument you have replied to, is the teaching of JLB, and now apparently Civic, which preaches that God's Law commands you and I to kill people who sin against God, however a person believes God defines Sin.

And he teaches that if I don't kill others, then I am guilty of transgressing God's Commandment, and if I break one, I have broken them all. So if I don't kill others for their sin, I am living in Iniquity.

I don't believe God's Laws promote such a comment for you and I, to kill another person for any reason, or for any sin.

Do you believe God gave you this commandment?

What a joke and false accusation as neither of us promote murder.

What a sic and horrible false accusation as the accuser of the brethren. We can tell by which spirit you speak.

 

[Jim]

We all as you indicated come into this world by water.

I didn't indicate any such thing.

 

[Jim]

Lol

You just proved my point

But hey. Keep thinking I am the foolish one. If it serves you so be it.

So you take pride in your irrational reasoning. LOL

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So you take pride in your irrational reasoning. LOL

The only irrational one is the one preaching water baptism required to be saved then denying it

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I didn't indicate any such thing.

Funny how everyone knows this is what you are doing except you?

 

[Jim]

We are "builders" also, in addition to being God's building. The difference between us and the Apostles is that Paul laid down the foundation which is Christ. Paul's point is that we are to build on top of that foundation and no other.

11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. (1 Cor 3:11-13)

But the difference is that the apostles and prophets, the spiritual ones, are taught directly by God through divinely inspired revelation through the Holy Spirit while we, the natural persons. are taught by those apostles and prophets, not directly by any inspired revelation. All those who would point to 1 Corinthians 2 saying that the difference is between regenerated and unregenerated persons. That is simply not true.

 

[Jim]

Once again teaching water baptism to be saved

Ps

Jesus told nicodemus he must be born again. Literally a second time

Nicodemus asked if he is to go to his mothers womb again

Jesus answer. One must be born 2 time

Of water (flesh) which everyone has

And spirit. Which we are told how later. He who believes. Faith in God. Trust him and the cross

The discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus has absolutely NOTHING to do with physical birth. Born again deals with the spirits of men. We receive our spirits at our first birth. It is alive. We are spiritually alive at our birth. God would not give us spiritually dead spirits. When we sin, we die; that is, we die spiritually. We become dead in trespasses and sin. The purpose for being REborn is to bring our spirits back to life.

 

[Jim]

Again water baptism to be saved

Again saved in water baptism.

Rom 6:3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Gonna call you out every time

Go right ahead. You will be wrong every time.