civic
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We all as you indicated come into this world by water.
Jesus Christ came into this world by both water and blood.
This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6
The water when Mary’s sac broke and blood when her hymen broke.
The Spirit was there as a witness to this miracle birth, and bears witness with our spirit that these things are true; That Jesus is the Messiah who came forth from the virgin as prophesied by Isaiah.
So you believe Christians should be stoned to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath as the law of Moses requires.
So your answer is yes.
Interesting.
Sad, but interesting.
I now see what you got so upset when I asked this question.
If you believe Christians should be stoned to death for violating the Sabbath then I have to ask again, does your congregation obey this law of Moses?
I see now why he did.
He does believe Christians who violate the Sabbath should be put to death.
He doesn’t practice what he believes like most but he does believe it.
Eternally-Grateful
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synergy
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We are "builders" also, in addition to being God's building. The difference between us and the Apostles is that Paul laid down the foundation which is Christ. Paul's point is that we are to build on top of that foundation and no other.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. (1 Cor 3:11-13)
Eternally-Grateful
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What works do you think save us
If the wage of sin is death. What works will release us from our debt
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Eternally-Grateful
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Don't you believe in this Jesus when HE said, "by their fruits you shall know them"? Why did Jesus have the Story I posted written in the first place, if not to understand the motivation of men who behave in such a manner as the Pharisees and JLB behaved?
I'm not "claiming to be Christ", but you already know that. And yet you say it anyway. What motivated you to promote what you know is a falsehood? Are you not just trying to justify your own false accusation of me, that I'm ignoring a question that I wrote almost 2 pages addressing, that you and JLB completely ignored, and then said I was "giving the run around".
How is it you refuse to even acknowledge the question asked, and yet you judge me for knowing the motivations of the asker? Do you also believe that if I don't murder others, I am not obeying God?
But the problem is, you will not answer. You will not engage in honest discussion. rather only insofar as you can justify yourself.
And it is frustrating.
Charity 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
In your religion, is it iniquity to deceive another as to your motives, promote the falsehood that because Jesus didn't stone to death the Adulterer or because I don't murder Sabbath breakers, I am Sinning against God?
How many times have you told Calvinist promoters that they are deceived, and promoting wicked deceptions of TULIP?
Here are your own words about JW, (I think you copy and pasted got.questions.org, but I could be wrong)
"There is probably no religious group that is more faithful than the Jehovah’s Witnesses at spreading "their" message. Unfortunately, the message is full of distortions, deceptions, and false doctrine. May God open the eyes of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to the truth of the gospel and the true teaching of God’s Word."
Don't be a hypocrite Civic.
What is worse than lying about intentions when asking an evil question designed to trick someone into denounce God? What is the "Mind of Christ" for men engaged in such behavior Civic? What did Jesus say to these men who tried to accuse HIM of Sin because HE wouldn't murder a sinner? What is worse than the entire premise of JLB's question, that for a man to obey God, they must kill others, "as he said, "It's a simple as that".
Will you then say Jesus had a carnal mind when he said:
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Will you accuse Paul too?
Phil. 3: 17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Titus 1: 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore "rebuke them sharply", that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
I can't imagine a more evil and wicked teaching that in order to "Obey God's Law", I must stone adulteresses to death, or murder Sabbath Breakers, or sacrifice animals to forgive my sins.
And now you are preaching to me, that pointing this wickedness out to those who promote it, "is 100% the carnal mind void of the Spirit of God and His direction."
You should check yourself on this one Civic.
civic
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Only God can read the hearts and minds of people. You claim to know whats in a mans heart and their motives.
You are also not an Apostle.
Quit flattering yourself.
You should check yourself and quit Judging the hearts of others.
Tothalordbeallglory
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But the OBJECT of our belief which IS JESUS CHRIST .
but what if the object of many is on another jesus . Oops . i keep trying to tell us
my near and my dear friend that christendom is in deadly dire danger .
MANY follow another jesus , and that jesus of theirs sure seems to accept their sin .
THAT AINT JESUS . the devil is a liar and he and his men
sure can preach another jesus that sure does accept sin and even unbelief and makes that road REAL BROAD .
ONLY they follow satan the great adversary of our souls . We better learn the scrips well for ourselves .
Now if i said ANY THING false Please expose it and show me my error .
Tothalordbeallglory
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this is only partly correct . because we sure can KNOW a tree by its fruits .
You sure can see if one loves sin . I gaurantee ya that .
I see lots of folks lipping jesus and flapping gums as though they are his
but friend they walk after the flesh and will follow another jesus
their fruit , TO SIN
NOT the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT at all . You sure can , with no doubt know them by their fruits .
While evil is present within all , the sheep aint in the business of justify any sin
BUT friend i see many that are . WHERE IS THE SPIRIT .
Because i know for a fact that even when a lustful wicked thought pops into my mind
due to the flesh , a convinction pops right into my mind as well .
WHERE IS THEIR CONVICTION . sheep dont justify sin . they hate thier sin .
Tothalordbeallglory
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TO the trenches mattie and all . We are in the upmost last hours of a massive war
that has brewed throughout the ages .
JESUS was with Them from the beginning
HE has been with his sheep through all ages
AND HE WILL be with us . TO the trenches .
that has brewed throughout the ages .
JESUS was with Them from the beginning
HE has been with his sheep through all ages
AND HE WILL be with us . TO the trenches .
Eternally-Grateful
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Once again teaching water baptism to be saved
Ps
Jesus told nicodemus he must be born again. Literally a second time
Nicodemus asked if he is to go to his mothers womb again
Jesus answer. One must be born 2 time
Of water (flesh) which everyone has
And spirit. Which we are told how later. He who believes. Faith in God. Trust him and the cross
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Tothalordbeallglory
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You know what all need to do my friend .
We should examine to see
if we walk as DID JESUS
he who says he abides in HIM , walks AS HE DID .
MANY follow a sin accepting , non correcting jesus , and only corrects
those who hold a bible and try and correct those in sin and error .
THAT AINT JESUS . satan is a liar .
Many believe they heed to the doctrine of Christ and of the apostels
but at most they heed to WHAT THIER MEN twisted to them and cliamed was the doctrine .
THIS is an real easy fix . only most want nothing to do with how simple and easy this could have
been fixed . NOW its BIBLE TIME . read for yourselves , learn for yourselves .
Because many are on the BROAD ROAD and have no idea they are on that Road . THEY just see it as love
and as loving . FRIEND i am very deeply troubled and worried for many .
Now the solution IS REAL SIMPLE . put down all other books
and pick back up that bible and let us start afresh and anew .
You are also convinced that God's Laws are "Worthless Jewish Traditions", "Rudiments of this world", a "Yoke of Bondage" and "Beggarly Elements", "many" being no different than Pagan religious festivals, that were only given to men born of a certain DNA, and born in a certain time in history.
The Apostles, Jesus, nor any of the Law and Prophets promote such a religious philosophy. The reason why I know this, is because I already fellowship with the Apostles a little bit every day. All day of God's Holy Sabbath, and even today, which is Pentecost.
So you are free to be convinced of these things. But you didn't learn them from the Law and Prophets, Jesus or the Apostles God gave to Jesus, at least if the Holy Scriptures are our guide.
As is your custom, you only use a verse here or there to promote your own agenda. But when I read what Paul actually said, he is teaching the Law and Prophets from verse 16 to 27. I would post his worlds, but you have made it clear they would have no influence on you.
And if you would actually read what verse 27 says.
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, (Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees) because they knew him not, (Even though Moses, in whom they trusted, wrote about HIM) nor yet the voices of the prophets ( whom they rejected, and many they killed) which are read every sabbath day, they have "fulfilled them" (The Prophesies of the Prophets) in condemning "him". (The Prophesied Messiah Moses and the Prophets told them about)
And yet, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, all know the Lord's Christ, and believed on Him even before HE was born, as it is written.
Luke 1: 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, (Being Read Every Sabbath day) which have been since the world began:
It's easy to blindly accuse Red. But exactly what is it that the Apostles taught in Acts 13 that I don't believe?
And if you refuse to engage, and provide me with evidence of your accusation, what am I to perceive about your accusation?
Again, as is your custom, you cherry pick one verse, and separate it from the rest of the Bible, then use it as a took of self justification. I believe EVERY WORD of Jude. Here, lets look at what the Chapter actually says.
Jude 1: 1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, "and called":
2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that "ye should earnestly" contend for the faith which "was once delivered unto the saints".
Who are the Saints Red?
Rev. 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev. 16: 5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Was Stephen a Saint? Did Abraham have the Faith of Jesus?
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward "destroyed them that believed not". (Gospel of Christ)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers "defile the flesh", despise dominion, and speak evil of "dignities". (that characteristic of a person or a thing (Like God) which entitles to reverence or respect 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: (Judge God's Judgments as beneath them) but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should "walk" after their own "ungodly lusts".
This would be rejecting God's Judgments, and creating your own judgments, Yes Red? These would be rejecting God's Statutes and creating your own high days, Yes Red?
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, (And what is the Love of God?) looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to "present you faultless" before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Yes Red, I understand believe ALL of Jude. Not just the first sentence.
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