Eternal Security

Correct, Gentiles were never under the Law of Moses, but they are under the New Covenant, and they have the Old Covenant Scriptures to study to know what the Jews knew before Christ. But then, it takes a serious, honest reading of Scripture to know these truths. Have you found them?
Let's test your statement:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour [member of another tribe], and every man his brother [member of the same tribe], saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:31–34.

NOPE. NO GENTILES IN THIS COVENANT.
If you continue to hold that there is you're just not being honest with Scripture.
As I stated, Scripture says that the OT was designed and planned from the beginning to be temporary, and to lead us to Christ. The Law of Moses is obsolete and the Old Covenant has been fulfilled and replaced with the New Covenant in Jesus' blood.
At the time it was everlasting - without end - like God.
And the saving covenants are STILL in effect. All three including the Davidic Covenant.
 
Ephesians is a book written to the mostly Gentile congregation in Ephesus. And in Eph 3:6 it says that very clearly that the Gentiles who believe the Gospel and are added to the Church are now coheirs with Christ, and members of the Body of Christ (the Bride of Christ).
"For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the administration of God’s grace which was given to me for you; 3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before briefly. 4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which in other generations was not made known to mankind, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, 7 of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power."
Ephesians is a letter written by a Jewish Christian TO and FOR Jewish Christians in Ephesus. ALL the New Covenant writings were written to a Jewish Christian audience as the writers (Matthew, Luke, James, Peter, John, Saul, all discuss Messiah's effect upon the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.
At this point in time the mention of Gentiles refers to proselytes who were circumcised, went to synagogue, were there to hear testimony of Jewish Christians that became saved and returned from Pentecost with Jesus, and along with their vows, sacrifices, obeying the Torah and the prophets were the first Gentiles to hear the gospel that began to filter through Jewish communities throughout the Roman empire and beyond.
A lot of Gentiles don't understand how far and wide God scattered the Jews through Exile by Assyrians and Babylonians as well as the Roman destruction of that people. Laws were passed that prevented Jews from returning back to Israel.
Open your eyez.
 
Let's test your statement:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour [member of another tribe], and every man his brother [member of the same tribe], saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:31–34.

NOPE. NO GENTILES IN THIS COVENANT.
If you continue to hold that there is you're just not being honest with Scripture.

At the time it was everlasting - without end - like God.
And the saving covenants are STILL in effect. All three including the Davidic Covenant.
Very good. Now let me ask you, if I cut a branch off of a wild olive tree and graft it into a cultivated olive tree, is the branch now considered wild or is it now a part of the cultivated tree? It is obviously part of the cultivated tree, as it is drawing its support, nourishment, and life from the cultivated tree. This is EXACTLY the analogy drawn by the Holy Spirit through Paul when he talks about the Gentiles being grafted into the root of Israel (thus they become part of spiritual Israel) in Rom 11. The branches of native Israel that did not believe in Jesus were cut off, and the branches of the wild trees (Gentiles) that do believe in Jesus are grafted in. It says nothing about the Gentiles adherence to Mosaic Law, nor to becoming Jewish, nor to keeping Jewish tradition. No, they become Israel (or are cut off from Israel) because of their belief or non-belief in Jesus.
Ephesians is a letter written by a Jewish Christian TO and FOR Jewish Christians in Ephesus. ALL the New Covenant writings were written to a Jewish Christian audience as the writers (Matthew, Luke, James, Peter, John, Saul, all discuss Messiah's effect upon the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.
At this point in time the mention of Gentiles refers to proselytes who were circumcised, went to synagogue, were there to hear testimony of Jewish Christians that became saved and returned from Pentecost with Jesus, and along with their vows, sacrifices, obeying the Torah and the prophets were the first Gentiles to hear the gospel that began to filter through Jewish communities throughout the Roman empire and beyond.
A lot of Gentiles don't understand how far and wide God scattered the Jews through Exile by Assyrians and Babylonians as well as the Roman destruction of that people. Laws were passed that prevented Jews from returning back to Israel.
Open your eyez.
Ahhh, so it is only descendants of Israel who are scattered and intermarried into the Gentile community that can be part of the New Covenant? That is not what Scripture says either.
Acts 13:43-49 says, "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who were speaking to them and urging them to continue in the grace of God. 44 The next Sabbath nearly all the city assembled to hear the word of the Lord. 45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming. 46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first. Since you repudiate it and consider yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us,

‘I have appointed You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You may bring salvation to the end of the earth.’”

48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was being spread through the whole region."

Notice that the God-fearing proselytes are mentioned here in contrast to the Gentiles. Gentiles, in most places in the NT, refers to just that, Gentiles; not God-fearers, not proselytes, but pagan Gentiles who don't know the Law or the creator God.
Again, in Rom 9: it says, "But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants shall be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."
This is not talking about proselytes, but about biological descendants of Jacob not being included in "Israel" because they do not believe in Jesus. It is not about who your parents were, but who you believe in that makes you part of Israel or not.
Further in Rom 9:23-26, "And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon objects of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 namely us, whom He also called, not only from among Jews, but also from among Gentiles, 25 as He also says in Hosea:
“I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”
26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”"

And finally in Rom 9:30-33, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; 31 however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 just as it is written:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And the one who believes in Him will not be put to shame.”"


My friend, not all Gentiles who are mentioned in Scripture as obtaining righteousness, salvation, and Christ in the New Testament are proselytes and those seeking to be "Jewish". Read also the debate that was brought to the Apostles in Jerusalem about the Gentile converts being required to keep the Law of Moses (Acts 15). Gentile converts were not required to keep the Law of Moses (become proselytes) in order to be part of the Church.
 
Very good. Now let me ask you, if I cut a branch off of a wild olive tree and graft it into a cultivated olive tree, is the branch now considered wild or is it now a part of the cultivated tree? It is obviously part of the cultivated tree, as it is drawing its support, nourishment, and life from the cultivated tree. This is EXACTLY the analogy drawn by the Holy Spirit through Paul when he talks about the Gentiles being grafted into the root of Israel (thus they become part of spiritual Israel) in Rom 11. The branches of native Israel that did not believe in Jesus were cut off, and the branches of the wild trees (Gentiles) that do believe in Jesus are grafted in. It says nothing about the Gentiles adherence to Mosaic Law, nor to becoming Jewish, nor to keeping Jewish tradition. No, they become Israel (or are cut off from Israel) because of their belief or non-belief in Jesus.
AGAIN, NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE ARE GENTILES REFERRED TO AS OLIVE TREE OR WILD OLIVE TREE. Basically, you are adding to the Bible. If there is no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New Covenant for the New Covenant is WHOLLY ISRAEL/HEBREW/JEWISH.
Ahhh, so it is only descendants of Israel who are scattered and intermarried into the Gentile community that can be part of the New Covenant? That is not what Scripture says either.
Acts 13:43-49 says, "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who were speaking to them and urging them to continue in the grace of God. 44 The next Sabbath nearly all the city assembled to hear the word of the Lord. 45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming. 46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first. Since you repudiate it and consider yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us,
Gentile proselytes.
‘I have appointed You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You may bring salvation to the end of the earth.’”
Being a light to Gentiles is NOT saying they are in covenant with God. They are separate entities. Distinction.
48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was being spread through the whole region."
ONLY Gentile Proselytes have the inside track on glorifying God. Uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles know nothing about worship or the God of Abraham. All they know is idol-worship and in idol-worship there is no glorifying the God of Abraham of whom circumcision was given and proselytes were allied with Israel.
Notice that the God-fearing proselytes are mentioned here in contrast to the Gentiles. Gentiles, in most places in the NT, refers to just that, Gentiles; not God-fearers, not proselytes, but pagan Gentiles who don't know the Law or the creator God.
Again, in Rom 9: it says, "But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants shall be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."
This is not talking about proselytes, but about biological descendants of Jacob not being included in "Israel" because they do not believe in Jesus. It is not about who your parents were, but who you believe in that makes you part of Israel or not.
Further in Rom 9:23-26, "And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon objects of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 namely us, whom He also called, not only from among Jews, but also from among Gentiles, 25 as He also says in Hosea:
“I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”
26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”"

And finally in Rom 9:30-33, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; 31 however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 just as it is written:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And the one who believes in Him will not be put to shame.”"


My friend, not all Gentiles who are mentioned in Scripture as obtaining righteousness, salvation, and Christ in the New Testament are proselytes and those seeking to be "Jewish". Read also the debate that was brought to the Apostles in Jerusalem about the Gentile converts being required to keep the Law of Moses (Acts 15). Gentile converts were not required to keep the Law of Moses (become proselytes) in order to be part of the Church.
The Church Christ promised to build began with 3000 JEWS. This went on for four decades until the destruction of their Temple, but while their Temple still stood everything having to do with covenant, prophecies, Messiah, etc., was a Jewish phenomenon and it all happened to the Jewish people and LATER, MUCH LATER after the Temple's destruction then more and more Gentiles became saved and stole Israel's inheritance and made everything that was Jewish now Gentile. Even the false history you regurgitate.
 
AGAIN, NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE ARE GENTILES REFERRED TO AS OLIVE TREE OR WILD OLIVE TREE. Basically, you are adding to the Bible. If there is no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New Covenant for the New Covenant is WHOLLY ISRAEL/HEBREW/JEWISH.
Which means that either you have not read Rom 11, or you do not consider it to be Scripture.
"But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles." "But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off." Rom 11:13, 17-22
Notice that he is speaking to Gentiles, not proselytes, because a proselyte is considered a Jew once he has fully converted.
Gentile proselytes.
Nope, Gentiles. Once a proselyte converts, he is no longer a Gentile, but is fully a Jew.
Being a light to Gentiles is NOT saying they are in covenant with God. They are separate entities. Distinction.
No distinction, because God says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28-29. Obviously there is still slavery, and obviously there are still men and women, so what does this mean? It means that, spiritually, there is no distinction between any of the pairs. There used to be a "court of women" in the Temple that women could enter but could not pass beyond. There was also a "court of Gentiles" that, similarly, Gentiles could not pass beyond. There was a Holy place into which only certain priests could ever go, and the Most Holy Place into which only the High Priest could go, and only once a year. But now, the veil has been torn, the walls of separation have been destroyed, and there is no longer any distinction between the Jew, Gentile, Male, Female, Slave or Free. All can equally approach the throne of God.
And again, "Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility." Eph 2:11-16
ONLY Gentile Proselytes have the inside track on glorifying God. Uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles know nothing about worship or the God of Abraham. All they know is idol-worship and in idol-worship there is no glorifying the God of Abraham of whom circumcision was given and proselytes were allied with Israel.

The Church Christ promised to build began with 3000 JEWS. This went on for four decades until the destruction of their Temple, but while their Temple still stood everything having to do with covenant, prophecies, Messiah, etc., was a Jewish phenomenon and it all happened to the Jewish people and LATER, MUCH LATER after the Temple's destruction then more and more Gentiles became saved and stole Israel's inheritance and made everything that was Jewish now Gentile. Even the false history you regurgitate.
That is not entirely accurate. As Rom 11 states, the Gentiles were grafted into Israel. They were made co-heirs with Christ and those biological descendants of Jacob (Israel) who believe in Jesus. Those who are biological descendants of Jacob who do not believe in Jesus are cut off from Israel.
 
Which means that either you have not read Rom 11, or you do not consider it to be Scripture.
"But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles." "But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off." Rom 11:13, 17-22
There is no covenant in Romans, nor in all the New Covenant writings, so let's not make one up to suit your purposes.
GENTILE PROSELYTES who were circumcised, made vows, offered sacrifices, and obeyed the Torah are the closest you'll get to Olive tree except they are not the NATURAL Olive tree but "WILD."
GENTILE PROSELYTES are who is being referenced by Saul.
Notice that he is speaking to Gentiles, not proselytes, because a proselyte is considered a Jew once he has fully converted.
A Gentile proselytes does not change their DNA by becoming an Israeli citizen. They have their own community and section to sit in the synagogues. YOU NEED to study more about proselytes and their relationship with Israel. First, they are not Abraham's seed and are NOT in covenant only enjoy the BENEFITS of the blessings of the covenant. Second, they are NOT considered Jewish. Jews are big on ancestors and descendants and do not count anyone not Abraham's seed as Abraham's seed especially now that they are twelve tribes and don't have a tribe to speak of.
Nope, Gentiles. Once a proselyte converts, he is no longer a Gentile, but is fully a Jew.
Go back to school, youngster.
No distinction, because God says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28-29.
Saul is addressing Jewish Christians that were very concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.
I get tired of posting this to people who can't read nor understand what they read: OPEN YOUR EYES:

22 But the [HEBREW] scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise [GIVEN TO JEWS] by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS] are no longer under a schoolmaster [THE LAW - GENTILES WERE NEVER UNDER THE LAW SO SAUL IS ADDRESSING JEWS].
26 For ye [JEWS] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:22–29.

Gentiles were NEVER heirs of the Abrahamic Covenant. It [the covenant] was with Abraham and his seed and Gentiles do not come from his seed. So, Gentiles ARE OUTSIDE THE COMMONWEALTH of Israel - speaking or more Gentile proselytes.
Do you see these Jewish Christians' concern with their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant? Saul tells them that if you are Christ's - Israel's Messiah - then you are STILL Abraham's seed and STILL HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE MADE TO FATHER ABRAHAM.
Obviously there is still slavery, and obviously there are still men and women, so what does this mean? It means that, spiritually, there is no distinction between any of the pairs. There used to be a "court of women" in the Temple that women could enter but could not pass beyond. There was also a "court of Gentiles" that, similarly, Gentiles could not pass beyond. There was a Holy place into which only certain priests could ever go, and the Most Holy Place into which only the High Priest could go, and only once a year. But now, the veil has been torn, the walls of separation have been destroyed, and there is no longer any distinction between the Jew, Gentile, Male, Female, Slave or Free. All can equally approach the throne of God.
And again, "Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility." Eph 2:11-16

That is not entirely accurate. As Rom 11 states, the Gentiles were grafted into Israel. They were made co-heirs with Christ and those biological descendants of Jacob (Israel) who believe in Jesus. Those who are biological descendants of Jacob who do not believe in Jesus are cut off from Israel.
You need to study this. And because you don't know what you're talking about I am not going to sit here at my screen and correct every single error you make. I AM NOT YOUR TEACHER.
So, get your doctrine right before you interact with me because I deal with intelligence, not ignorance and indoctrination in Gentile propaganda.
 
There is no covenant in Romans, nor in all the New Covenant writings, so let's not make one up to suit your purposes.
GENTILE PROSELYTES who were circumcised, made vows, offered sacrifices, and obeyed the Torah are the closest you'll get to Olive tree except they are not the NATURAL Olive tree but "WILD."
GENTILE PROSELYTES are who is being referenced by Saul.
If that is what you want to believe, rather than the plain teaching found in Scripture, then I will leave you to it and feel sorry for your ignorance. If you refuse to see what Scripture plainly says, but instead insist on putting your own preconception in, then there is no hope for your correction.
A Gentile proselytes does not change their DNA by becoming an Israeli citizen. They have their own community and section to sit in the synagogues. YOU NEED to study more about proselytes and their relationship with Israel. First, they are not Abraham's seed and are NOT in covenant only enjoy the BENEFITS of the blessings of the covenant. Second, they are NOT considered Jewish. Jews are big on ancestors and descendants and do not count anyone not Abraham's seed as Abraham's seed especially now that they are twelve tribes and don't have a tribe to speak of.
That is a very big distinction between the Jewish community and the New Covenant in Christ. What you say here is probably true, but in the Church (even the Messianic Jewish congregations of which I have been a part) the Gentile believers and the Jewish believers are equal, and fully brother and sister, just the way Scripture says it should be.
Go back to school, youngster.
Thank you kind sir. I am constantly learning, even from old geezers like yourself (friendly wink). I don't know how old you are, and you don't know how old I am (I don't think), so why call me young. We are probably close to the same age.
Saul is addressing Jewish Christians that were very concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.
I get tired of posting this to people who can't read nor understand what they read: OPEN YOUR EYES:

22 But the [HEBREW] scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise [GIVEN TO JEWS] by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS] are no longer under a schoolmaster [THE LAW - GENTILES WERE NEVER UNDER THE LAW SO SAUL IS ADDRESSING JEWS].
26 For ye [JEWS] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:22–29.
Sorry, but that is not really correct. Paul is speaking to Christ Followers. If he were speaking only to Jewish believers, then they would be extremely angry (like you seem to be) at the concept that there is no longer a division between the Jew and the Gentile. "We", "ye", "you", "us" etc. in the passage above is not "Jews", but members of the "Church", the Body of Christ, as he points out in verse 29. If they were all Jews only, then they already know that they are Abraham's seed and are heirs according to the promise. But the Gentiles were not Abraham's seed and heirs until the Gospel went out to them (starting with Cornelius) and Gentiles began to be preached to, and converted to Christ. ANYONE who is "in Christ" is now Abraham's seed and an heir according to the promise.
Gentiles were NEVER heirs of the Abrahamic Covenant.
Before Christ that was true, but they are now under the NEW COVENANT. Remember, the Abrahamic Covenant was ended when Jesus fulfilled it. We are now under the NEW Covenant in Jesus' blood (read Gal 4:21-31).
It [the covenant] was with Abraham and his seed and Gentiles do not come from his seed. So, Gentiles ARE OUTSIDE THE COMMONWEALTH of Israel - speaking or more Gentile proselytes.
Do you see these Jewish Christians' concern with their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant? Saul tells them that if you are Christ's - Israel's Messiah - then you are STILL Abraham's seed and STILL HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE MADE TO FATHER ABRAHAM.
Yes, the Jews of the first century (like many Jews today) had a superiority complex, thinking that they were better/more important to God just because they were descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But as John tells them, "and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham." (Matt 3:9) And in a way, God did just that, in that He has raised up Gentiles who believe in Jesus to be co-heirs with Christ of the promises made to Abraham.
You need to study this. And because you don't know what you're talking about I am not going to sit here at my screen and correct every single error you make. I AM NOT YOUR TEACHER.
So, get your doctrine right before you interact with me because I deal with intelligence, not ignorance and indoctrination in Gentile propaganda.
So you are saying that Scripture is in error? You are saying that the Holy Spirit doesn't mean what He said through Paul? There seems to be a lot that you do not know about the New Testament Scriptures. I have been studying them for 40+ years, but it seems that you have only been studying the Old Testament Scriptures. We are now living in a new "age" and have been for the last almost 2000 years.
 
If ANYONE (not just the 12) does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
Anyone not abiding in Christ we're never saved. Jesus said He wants to make us free, and His truth will make us free: “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”

If you don't abide in him you're still a slave to your sin. You don't know the truth and you haven't been set free from sending death.
 
Edit by moderator says that Jeremiah was appointed as a prophet to the nations. It appears that Edit by moderator believes he too has been appointed as a prophet. Indeed he is a prophet, a false prophet, who continually contradicts the teachings of Paul and the Bible. Paul spoke of men like him in Galatians 1:6-9:
"I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, even now I say again: if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"
He gloats over supposedly being Jewish in the flesh, even though there is absolutely no one today who could prove that they were Jewish in the flesh. The Jews have intermarried with Gentiles since the day they left Egypt. In fact some of them probably intermarried with Egyptians while they were there, because the scripture says that in the Exodus, "a mixed multitude also went up with them". Then the northern ten tribes were exiled to Assyria, never to return, so we know they intermarried. Then the southern tribes, Judah and Benjamin, were taken to Babylon, where again, they intermarried. We know that the Samaritans had intermarried with Gentiles. When Jews came back from Babylon, many stayed behind, probably the majority, so they again intermarried.
A pure 100% Jew in the flesh doesn't even exist.
But even if there were such a person, so what? God is not a racist. Any and all persons have the privilege of becoming heirs of the promises given to Abraham, which Paul said several times. How is that possible? By the fact that all people can also enter into the blessing of the New Covenant by grace through faith. Obviously, it doesn't matter whether you're Jewish in the flesh or not, because nobody really knows, nor does God care - He is able to raise up children of Abraham from stones. But even if you could know and you were 100% Jewish in the flesh, the kingdom of God was taken away from you, Jesus said, and was given to a nation producing the fruit of it, the body of Christ. Then he proved it by having Jerusalem and the temple destroyed, the Jews who rejected Jesus, slaughtered, and any who survived were taken captive and scattered all over the globe. That was the end of Israel, as a chosen people of God.
Israel today does not consist of the people of God -sure, there are Jews there who accept Jesus as their Messiah, but the nation is secular, they are not a theocracy, God is not their ruler, there's no temple with God's presence in it, there's no Holy of Holies, there's no longer priests from the tribe of Aaron - any Jew who thinks he is, is deceived. There's no Ark of the Covenant, no tablets of stone with the ten commandments on them, no jar of manna, no rod of Aaron -all of that is gone, never to be restored. Even if the Jews were to build a third temple, it wouldn't be God commanding them to do so, and they cannot created a genuine Ark of the Covenant, and genuine tablets, or genuine priests. Their will never be legitimate animal sacrifices again, because Christ "put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering" Daniel 9:27 by sacrificing Himself.
Let's listen to the New Testament and the words of Jesus and His apostles for our doctrine, not people who twist their words and their message.
 
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Anyone not abiding in Christ we're never saved. Jesus said He wants to make us free, and His truth will make us free: “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”

If you don't abide in him you're still a slave to your sin. You don't know the truth and you haven't been set free from sending death.
Let me ask you, in the parable of the unforgiving servant (Matt 18:23-35), was the first servant truly forgiven of his debt? Was he "saved"? If you are honest with yourself, you can only answer, "Yes, he was forgiven completely."

But then he refused to forgive his fellow servant, and the debt, and the penalty of the debt, was reinstated. So the servant lost his salvation.
 
Let me ask you, in the parable of the unforgiving servant (Matt 18:23-35), was the first servant truly forgiven of his debt? Was he "saved"? If you are honest with yourself, you can only answer, "Yes, he was forgiven completely."

But then he refused to forgive his fellow servant, and the debt, and the penalty of the debt, was reinstated. So the servant lost his salvation.
The meaning of Matthew 18:23-35 is that God wants us to forgive others as He has forgiven us. Jesus uses this parable to show the importance of the unlimited forgiveness that he gives to us.

The takeaway Jesus intended for Peter to learn was let your mercy be infinite so you too will receive infinite mercy. If your mercy has limits, God will limit the mercy that He gives you in His kingdom accordingly.

God wants us to forgive 70 times 7 which boils down to an unlimited amount of times. Which is the same thing he does for us when we confess our sin.

Walking in the Light
…7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…
 
The meaning of Matthew 18:23-35 is that God wants us to forgive others as He has forgiven us. Jesus uses this parable to show the importance of the unlimited forgiveness that he gives to us.

The takeaway Jesus intended for Peter to learn was let your mercy be infinite so you too will receive infinite mercy. If your mercy has limits, God will limit the mercy that He gives you in His kingdom accordingly.

God wants us to forgive 70 times 7 which boils down to an unlimited amount of times. Which is the same thing he does for us when we confess our sin.

Walking in the Light
…7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…
True, but that is not the only take-away we get from this parable. That is the nice thing about parables, and one of the reasons that Jesus used them to teach; they can provide many answers to many questions, not just the most obvious one.

As I said, the first servant clearly owed an unpayable debt, but he was forgiven completely and totally. This is unquestionable. But when he failed to pass on the forgiveness he had received, his debt was reinstated, and the punishment for that debt was also reinstated. And Jesus goes on to say that this is the same thing that would happen to the Apostles (and through them, every other Christ follower) if they also did not continue to forgive (and by extension, continue to walk in the Light as stated in 1 John 1:7ff.
 
If that is what you want to believe, rather than the plain teaching found in Scripture, then I will leave you to it and feel sorry for your ignorance. If you refuse to see what Scripture plainly says, but instead insist on putting your own preconception in, then there is no hope for your correction.
The Hebrew Scriptures were written TO and FOR the Hebrew people.
The New Covenant writings were written by Jewish Christians (Matthew, James, John, Peter, Saul, Jude, etc.), TO and FOR Jewish Christians whom God has saved beginning with 3000 Jews on Pentecost.
Your problem is that you think the Hebrew Scriptures of Law, Psalms, and Prophets was written by Gentiles TO and FOR a Gentile audience and that the New Covenant writings were written by Gentiles TO and FOR a Gentile audience. But that would be a lie. God did not spend nearly 4000 years developing Covenants and sending Prophets TO ISRAEL and as soon as the New Covenant comes into being His first words are to uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Gentiles?
Talk about Gentile arrogance.
That is a very big distinction between the Jewish community and the New Covenant in Christ. What you say here is probably true, but in the Church (even the Messianic Jewish congregations of which I have been a part) the Gentile believers and the Jewish believers are equal, and fully brother and sister, just the way Scripture says it should be.
Are you going to prove your position or ignore proving your position?

Thank you kind sir. I am constantly learning, even from old geezers like yourself (friendly wink). I don't know how old you are, and you don't know how old I am (I don't think), so why call me young. We are probably close to the same age.

Sorry, but that is not really correct. Paul is speaking to Christ Followers. If he were speaking only to Jewish believers, then they would be extremely angry (like you seem to be) at the concept that there is no longer a division between the Jew and the Gentile. "We", "ye", "you", "us" etc. in the passage above is not "Jews", but members of the "Church", the Body of Christ, as he points out in verse 29. If they were all Jews only, then they already know that they are Abraham's seed and are heirs according to the promise. But the Gentiles were not Abraham's seed and heirs until the Gospel went out to them (starting with Cornelius) and Gentiles began to be preached to, and converted to Christ. ANYONE who is "in Christ" is now Abraham's seed and an heir according to the promise.
And the Christ followers he was writing to were Jews.
Before Christ that was true, but they are now under the NEW COVENANT. Remember, the Abrahamic Covenant was ended when Jesus fulfilled it. We are now under the NEW Covenant in Jesus' blood (read Gal 4:21-31).
Who's "WE?" Are you of the House of Israel or Judah? Because that's who God has covenant with.
Put up or shut up. SHOW ME IN THE LAW, PSALMS, AND PROPHETS GOD MAKING COVENANT WITH GENTILES.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
Yes, the Jews of the first century (like many Jews today) had a superiority complex, thinking that they were better/more important to God just because they were descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But as John tells them, "and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham." (Matt 3:9) And in a way, God did just that, in that He has raised up Gentiles who believe in Jesus to be co-heirs with Christ of the promises made to Abraham.

So you are saying that Scripture is in error? You are saying that the Holy Spirit doesn't mean what He said through Paul? There seems to be a lot that you do not know about the New Testament Scriptures. I have been studying them for 40+ years, but it seems that you have only been studying the Old Testament Scriptures. We are now living in a new "age" and have been for the last almost 2000 years.
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Jeremiah 1:5 says that Jeremiah was appointed as a prophet to the nations. It appears that jeremiah1five believes he too has been appointed as a prophet. Indeed he is a prophet, a false prophet, who continually contradicts the teachings of Paul and the Bible. Paul spoke of men like him in Galatians 1:6-9:
"I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, even now I say again: if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"
He gloats over supposedly being Jewish in the flesh, even though there is absolutely no one today who could prove that they were Jewish in the flesh. The Jews have intermarried with Gentiles since the day they left Egypt. In fact some of them probably intermarried with Egyptians while they were there, because the scripture says that in the Exodus, "a mixed multitude also went up with them". Then the northern ten tribes were exiled to Assyria, never to return, so we know they intermarried. Then the southern tribes, Judah and Benjamin, were taken to Babylon, where again, they intermarried. We know that the Samaritans had intermarried with Gentiles. When Jews came back from Babylon, many stayed behind, probably the majority, so they again intermarried.
A pure 100% Jew in the flesh doesn't even exist.
But even if there were such a person, so what? God is not a racist. Any and all persons have the privilege of becoming heirs of the promises given to Abraham, which Paul said several times. How is that possible? By the fact that all people can also enter into the blessing of the New Covenant by grace through faith. Obviously, it doesn't matter whether you're Jewish in the flesh or not, because nobody really knows, nor does God care - He is able to raise up children of Abraham from stones. But even if you could know and you were 100% Jewish in the flesh, the kingdom of God was taken away from you, Jesus said, and was given to a nation producing the fruit of it, the body of Christ. Then he proved it by having Jerusalem and the temple destroyed, the Jews who rejected Jesus, slaughtered, and any who survived were taken captive and scattered all over the globe. That was the end of Israel, as a chosen people of God.
Israel today does not consist of the people of God -sure, there are Jews there who accept Jesus as their Messiah, but the nation is secular, they are not a theocracy, God is not their ruler, there's no temple with God's presence in it, there's no Holy of Holies, there's no longer priests from the tribe of Aaron - any Jew who thinks he is, is deceived. There's no Ark of the Covenant, no tablets of stone with the ten commandments on them, no jar of manna, no rod of Aaron -all of that is gone, never to be restored. Even if the Jews were to build a third temple, it wouldn't be God commanding them to do so, and they cannot created a genuine Ark of the Covenant, and genuine tablets, or genuine priests. Their will never be legitimate animal sacrifices again, because Christ "put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering" Daniel 9:27 by sacrificing Himself.
Let's listen to the New Testament and the words of Jesus and His apostles for our doctrine, not people who twist their words and their message.
You know NOTHING about my experiences in Christ in my past and to make such assertions without truth of my history shows me your immaturity and ignorance of being a BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN.
The fool has said in his heart there is no God.
Go, learn what that means.
 
The meaning of Matthew 18:23-35 is that God wants us to forgive others as He has forgiven us. Jesus uses this parable to show the importance of the unlimited forgiveness that he gives to us.

The takeaway Jesus intended for Peter to learn was let your mercy be infinite so you too will receive infinite mercy. If your mercy has limits, God will limit the mercy that He gives you in His kingdom accordingly.

God wants us to forgive 70 times 7 which boils down to an unlimited amount of times. Which is the same thing he does for us when we confess our sin.

Walking in the Light
…7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…
There is real security for every believer in Christ. It is not in some fanciful misreading of the doctrine of grace, but in a vital, living relationship with God. The born again “child of God” no more fears being lost than he fears that he may Jump off a cliff.

We can't lose our salvation because of sin because, God has provided an instant and complete remedy: “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” John 2:1-2

When we sin, we naturally feel ashamed and regretful. This is a healthy reaction. But we need to know that we can confess our sins to the Lord to be forgiven and washed.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
First John 1:9
 
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