SOTERIOLOGY 101, Provisionism [ Calvinists of course can be excluded.]

[brightfame52]

Separate not inanimate. Separate not unfunctional. He’s in hell, but thinks, responds, remembers and is remorseful and he would repent if that were possible, which he knows isn’t. And yet there is still love of his brothers to want to warn them.

Yes, Adam died, was separated from relationship with God. But he would be able to return if God extends his hand and grace to him. The offended party is always in control of the restoration possibilities in any broken relationship. Even if man would desire to restore the relationship, if God doesn’t want to, it will not happen.

But if God is willing but man isn’t, the fault is man’s, not God’s!


Doug

Hey man man sa
in Adam

Separate not inanimate. Separate not unfunctional. He’s in hell, but thinks, responds, remembers and is remorseful and he would repent if that were possible, which he knows isn’t. And yet there is still love of his brothers to want to warn them.

Yes, Adam died, was separated from relationship with God. But he would be able to return if God extends his hand and grace to him. The offended party is always in control of the restoration possibilities in any broken relationship. Even if man would desire to restore the relationship, if God doesn’t want to, it will not happen.

But if God is willing but man isn’t, the fault is man’s, not God’s!


Doug

Man is dead friend cut off from God his only hope is resurrection on a new birth

Separate not inanimate. Separate not unfunctional. He’s in hell, but thinks, responds, remembers and is remorseful and he would repent if that were possible, which he knows isn’t. And yet there is still love of his brothers to want to warn them.

Yes, Adam died, was separated from relationship with God. But he would be able to return if God extends his hand and grace to him. The offended party is always in control of the restoration possibilities in any broken relationship. Even if man would desire to restore the relationship, if God doesn’t want to, it will not happen.

But if God is willing but man isn’t, the fault is man’s, not God’s!


Doug

Man is dead see Romans 5:15

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 5:15 is not about quickening, regeneration, or born again. It is about how one is born into this life at birth. That is, the reference the "many " that died through one man's trespass and the "many" that abounded from the grace of God and the free gift are the exact same "many". The effect of Christ's obedience negated the effect of Adam's disobedience, not for just a few but for the whole of mankind. The spirit of man as given by God at each and every birth is set free from any effects of Adam's sin.

To not understand that is to malign God directly, giving heed to Augustine rather that God.

Romans 5:15 tells us man is dead by nature

 

[TibiasDad]

Hey man man sa
in Adam

Are you speaking in tongues?

Man is dead friend cut off from God his only hope is resurrection on a new birth

I have never denied this…

Doug

 

[Jim]

Romans 5:15 tells us man is dead by nature

Not if you know how to read the entire verse instead of just the first part. It tells us the truly great impact of Jesus Christ on all mankind. It says that the impact of Jesus Christ is much more than the impact of Adam on all human beings.

But you refuse to accept the true greatness of the life and death of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and instead preach the gospel of Augustine rather than the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Are you speaking in tongues?

I have never denied this…

Doug

Then mans greatest need in salvation is not to do something, but to be made alive. Thats what Gods Grace does, makes dead sinners alive Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

 

[TibiasDad]

Then mans greatest need in salvation is not to do something, but to be made alive. Thats what Gods Grace does, makes dead sinners alive Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

By faith in his promise. Nothing happens to us until we believe.

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

Not if you know how to read the entire verse instead of just the first part. It tells us the truly great impact of Jesus Christ on all mankind. It says that the impact of Jesus Christ is much more than the impact of Adam on all human beings.

But you refuse to accept the true greatness of the life and death of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and instead preach the gospel of Augustine rather than the gospel of Jesus Christ.

They dead, cant change what a verse says.

 

[brightfame52]

By faith in his promise. Nothing happens to us until we believe.

Doug

Not when you dead

 

[TibiasDad]

Not when you dead

Which means separated from God! It does not mean a lack of functional capacity, it means a lack of relationship, it means that you can do whatever you were created to be able to do but with constant imperfection and, therefore, total inadequacy of pleasing the perfection of God.

So God, in his gracious desire to restore the relationship between us, establishes the most simple action that a man can possibly do, consent to the question, ‘Do you believe me?’ A yes or no answer is all the human capacity that is required! No deed of effort to establish worthiness, for we are never worthy and never can be.

It is grace, because we don’t deserve it and because God didn’t have to do it! (That last aspect is something too often left out of the concept of grace, and is really the most dynamic aspect of grace in my humble opinion.) Even if we were perfect in every way, we cannot do anything to obligate God to do something he doesn’t want to do. God is always in control! Thus, it is always gracious!

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

Which means separated from God! It does not mean a lack of functional capacity, it means a lack of relationship, it means that you can do whatever you were created to be able to do but with constant imperfection and, therefore, total inadequacy of pleasing the perfection of God.

So God, in his gracious desire to restore the relationship between us, establishes the most simple action that a man can possibly do, consent to the question, ‘Do you believe me?’ A yes or no answer is all the human capacity that is required! No deed of effort to establish worthiness, for we are never worthy and never can be.

It is grace, because we don’t deserve it and because God didn’t have to do it! (That last aspect is something too often left out of the concept of grace, and is really the most dynamic aspect of grace in my humble opinion.) Even if we were perfect in every way, we cannot do anything to obligate God to do something he doesn’t want to do. God is always in control! Thus, it is always gracious!

Doug

It means you dead to God in your sins. You cant do anything of a spiritual nature to put you in union or fellowship with God. Its not until and if one is made alive can they be called into a spiritual union and fellowship with God in Christ. 1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

But until one is MADE ALIVE BY GRACE, we be dead