Eternal Justification !

brightfame52 · Aug 22, 2024

Justification is from everlasting because of the revealed chain of Salvation: Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The chain of salvation is eternally bound fast in God. For whom He foreknew He also predestinated. . . . and whom He predestinated He also called, and whom He called He also justified, and whom He justified He also glorified, (verses 29 and 30). The viewpoint is not of what takes place in time, but of what is established already in the counsel of God’s will. The elect are not only foreknown and predestinated, but they are also called and justified and glorified in God’s eternal decree. Nothing can change that established fact.

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C.Hanko

civic · Aug 22, 2024

brightfame52 said:
Justification is from everlasting because of the revealed chain of Salvation: Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

https://sb.rfpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1944-10-01-1.pdf
C.Hanko

nope the verse you alluded to has a time element and sequence to the words/phrases.

no one is justified/glorified before they exist and have come to faith in the gospel. no one is called before they exist.

you have conflated predestined with everything else that follows.

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hope this helps !!!

brightfame52 · Aug 23, 2024

“Not Imputing Their Trespasses”

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

(2 Corinthians 5:19)

This was what he resolved upon from all eternity, that inasmuch as Christ was become the surety and substitute of his people, he would not impute their sins to them, or look for satisfaction for them from them; but would reckon and place them to the account of their surety, and expect satisfaction from him; and accordingly he did, and accordingly he had it. And this will, not to impute sin to his people, or not to punish for it, which existed in God from everlasting, is no other than a justification of them; for to whom the Lord does not impute sin, he imputes righteousness, and such are properly justified. John Gill

TomL · Aug 24, 2024

brightfame52 said:
You running from it. When was Jesus Christ made a surety of the Better Covenant ? Heb 7:22 and what is the responsibility of the Surety ?

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational

brightfame52 · Aug 24, 2024

TomL said:
You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational

When was Jesus made a surety do you know what a surety is ?

TomL · Aug 25, 2024

brightfame52 said:
When was Jesus made a surety do you know what a surety is ?

You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational

brightfame52 · Aug 25, 2024

TomL said:
You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational

When was Jesus made a surety do you know what a surety is ?

TomL · Aug 25, 2024

brightfame52 said:
When was Jesus made a surety do you know what a surety is ?

Yes I do

But You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational

brightfame52 · Aug 25, 2024

TomL said:
Yes I do

But You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational

When was Jesus made a surety do you know what a surety is ?

TomL · Aug 25, 2024

brightfame52 said:
When was Jesus made a surety do you know what a surety is ?

Yes I do

But You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational

brightfame52 · Aug 25, 2024

TomL said:
Yes I do

But You never answered

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your theology is irrational