Right here you go off the rail men are in Christ in time not eternityTom, I labor to answer every post to me~Always have since I started debating on line around twenty-five years ago....... generally in detail, but, I want to first finish addressing the whole of the OP.
But briefly I will answer this one, so as to keep from anyone thinking we have no answers for we know that we do using God's word. But, we will not answer another one until we're completely finished exposing the OP for what it is....false to the core.
You asked:
What do you think? I'm the one that has said many times over, context is king, for it drives our interpretation for us. Thanks for asking, it will only serve me, not you and your corrupt work gospel which is another gospel that has the curse of God upon it according to Galatian chapter one. Let us see who the us are.
Ephesians 1:1-8~"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:"
Tom, I never assume anything, much more than that, I do not teach anything without God's testimony supporting what I teach, and here in Ephesians 1:1-8 we have so much support, much more than you are willing to accept, pretty sure of that.
"to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus"~ The word of God is written to SAINTS, not to wicked sinners who are at enmity against the God of the holy scriptures. Can we at least agree on this one point? If not, then I'm speaking to an unreasonable person that I should not be wasting valuable time with.
So, the us is those only which are already IN CHRIST, and have been since before the foundation of the world in a eternal and legal sense. The only people in this world whereby God's grace has been showed are those that are in Christ since the foundation of the world, or in another sense which is equally true, from eternity and will be world without end.
Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
when they believe
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
nowhere do we read they were in Christ in a legal and eternal sense
you have added to scripture without justification contrary to your claim
and in fact contrary to scripture
Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
ye were without Christ not legally in Christ
Those promises are for those in christ. One must first be in Christ before one receives the promises"hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ"~The only folks in the world, past, present, and future, that are blessed of God, are those people to whom the promises of God are for, which were freely given to them in Christ before the foundation of the world, or from eternity apt. Not some spiritual blessing, but ALL~election, predestination, sanctification, and our calling and a promise that that which God has started he WILL finished totally to present us faultless before him until the day of Jesus Christ second coming.
your theology gives promises to those who are not in Christ who do not even exist
ye were without Christ not legally in Christ
Your theology is contrary to the claims all blessings are in Christ
2nd Timothy 1:9
“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”
Again it is in Christ those blessing are predestined not those who
were without Christ
This is what God was pleased to doPhilippians 1:6
“Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:”
" he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"~God chose us, not because we were more worthy, than the next person, but according to the good pleasure of his will, according to Paul speaking under the inspiration of God. Now, you can reject that if you will, but know you are not rejecting my words but God's for I have done nothing more than quote verbatim God's word. And you truly know that I have, whether or not you will confess this to be so.
1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
men who do not exist are not in Christ
Yes, we were chosen in Christ, or he is the head of the elect body and the work of redemption for those elect body was given to the head, it is impossible to separate the head from the body, or the body from the head.
men who do not believe are not in Christ
This remains the fact of the matter
ye were without Christ not legally in Christ
Accepted in Christ yet your theology has men accepted apart from Christ
"wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved" I could spend pages on this one thought~the elect were made accepted ONLY IN CHRIST, outside of Christ, it would have been impossible for us to do any work which would have contributed to our acceptance before God, impossible!
contrary to
Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
"Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:" These blessed truths are hidden from most, revealed only to US, the very elect......... now, who they are, is yet to be seen, but, those that love God and his word will submit to the teachings of his word, for the most part, maybe not all at once, but, they will over time. Again, I could spend much time here, but I know that I should not.
I'll come back after a meeting and finish my post to you. I knda rushed thsi,
ye were without Christ not legally in Christ