DavidTree
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Correct = Truth = 2 Thessalonians chapter 2
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Which body?
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GodsGrace
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§The body of §Christ is SUPPOSED to be what you've stated above.
Compacted together.
Visible.
Unified.
Has doctrine.
By the Kingdom of God, I hope you mean the Kingdom of God on earth which Jesus meant to establish.
Not sure what you mean by Family of God....
to my understanding it would be the same as the kingdom.
GodsGrace
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Agreed.
But there are 2 types of church:
church......a building,,,an institution.
Church.....another name for the Body of Christ.
civic
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Not sure I agree with you on this. In the NT there is the local body/ church and the universal body/ church. The church is not a building or a structure like the OT temple.
DavidTree
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Agree
GodsGrace
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What do you call the place where you go to worship?
DavidTree
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and there lies the deception
civic
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Gathering
Also I don’t go there to worship.
Worship in the NT has nothing to do with music and singing praise songs. The Greek word means to lay prostrate.
The “ church “ has ruined the biblical meaning of true worship
| 4352. proskuneó ► |
Strong's Lexicon proskuneó: To worship, to bow down, to prostrate oneself Original Word: προσκυνέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: proskuneó Pronunciation: pros-koo-NEH-oh Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-neh'-o) Definition: To worship, to bow down, to prostrate oneself Meaning: I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship |
The Family.. is the Triune God, His angels and all redeemed.
The Kingdom is all God owns. It is in heaven and on earth. I believe a body of Christ is a local NT church that He owns.
Kingdom being the widest entity. ..Family within that..then a body of Christ within that.
Also that a body of Christ could have no roof over their head. Not a building.
GodsGrace
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You're speaking a language that is not recognizable.
The Triune God is God Father, God Son and God Holy Spirit.
The angels and all the redeemed to not make up the Triune God.
Agreed.
Yes,,,it is that.
It is A BODY of Christ.
THE BODY of Christ is ALL believers that ever lived.
Never heard of this.
Do you have supporting scripture?
I didn't say the Body of Christ can have a roof over its head.
I said a church has a roof over its head.
A local body of Christ..
From A W Pink.. Churches of God:
'Now the kind of church which is emphasized in the N.T. is neither invisible nor universal; but instead, visible and local. The Greek word for "church" is ecclesia, and those who know anything of that language are agreed that the word signifies "An Assembly." Now an "assembly" is a company of people who actually assemble. If they never "assemble," then it is a misuse of language to call them "an Assembly." Therefore, as all of Gods people never have yet assembled together, there is today no "universal Church" or "Assembly." That "Church" is yet future; as yet it has no concrete or corporate existence.'
1 co 12 is describing a body of Christ..not all redeemed. The language used is of a local entity. Not all redeemed.
Ephesians 4 'there is one body' is describing the body at Ephesus. As an example to other bodies of believers.
Matthew 16:18.. Jesus saying He will build His church. He refers to the church as local in Matthew 18. Why would He introduce a church of every believer and then refer to the same word as a local entity?
'The church ' is akin to 'the car' 'the horse' 'the cat'.. not referring to one in particular but still the visible unit.
That's what I believe.
GodsGrace
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Wow.
I guess you could believe what you want to believe.
Your ECCLESIA, as explained above is the word church, as I've explained.
There is only ONE body of Christ...ALL believers that ever existed.
I'd post some verses, but I think you prefer A.W. Pink to the NT.
GodsGrace
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BTW,,,,I asked for supporting SCRIPTURE.
A.W. Pink is NOT supporting scripture....
Just saying.
I've given some scripture, there is more. A W Pink's writing is an example of what I have also learned. There many other preachers also who came to this conclusion from scripture.
Just go through the examples of church and body of Christ in the NT and ask whether it's of an assembly or every believer.
GodsGrace
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§Are you saying that "church" always means an assembly of believers?
If so , what does the following verse mean?
Colossians 1:18
18And He is the head of the body, the church.
I'm sorry I can't familiarize myself with what AW Pink believes or any other teacher.
I'm interested with what YOU believe.
Yes...I'm saying 'the church' is the unit of an assembly of saved, baptised believers. A congregation.
Like 'the horse, the cat, the dog'
Not one in particular..but still local and visible.
The body of Christ is the church. The church is an assembly or congregation.
So.. Jesus is the Head of each assembly He owns.
GodsGrace
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OK
So you agree that the Church is the Body of Christ?
So you agree that a church is an institution where one goes to worship...
and THE Church is the Body of Christ.
§There is a place where Christians assemble....a church.
and there is also the §Body of Christ, which can be called a Church, as in Colossians 1:18.
I call the local assembly also the body of Christ. Same thing.
Every believer being in the Kingdom and Family.. not the body of Christ. Not yet. They will be one body in the future.
GodsGrace
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This will be my last post on this.
Believers are the Body of Christ right now.
They also belong to the Kingdom of God here on earth, right now.
The local assembly is NOT the Body of Christ.
Why?
Because not everybody sitting in the pews is a believer.
This is accepted Christian theology.
I won't be providing scripture because you believe whatever Pinkerton believes...so I leave you to him.
(I don't know what he believes, so no comment on him).
All believers who joined that local assembly would be the body of Christ. Saved, and baptised.
