Did God Create Evil?

[TedT]

You think Lucifers rebellion came after the fall?

Here is one to consider, though I cannot prove it at all, for years now I have believed the creation and entirety of God's plan
came about because of Lucifer's rebellion.... Just my thoughts.

Carry on.

While I tend to agree with the tenor of these thoughts I disagree on specifics...

Fallen refers to the free will decision of someone to rebel against GOD's plans or even against HIMself as our LORD GOD.

I find the answer to why the judgement upon the demonic reprobate was postponed in favor of a prison planet for sinners as per Rev 12:4-9, in Matt 13:27-30 in which GOD tells the angels to postpone the destruction of the demonic reprobate, the weeds, so as to let them live together with the sinful but good seed (the fallen elect) until the harvest.
Iow,
GOD has chosen to delay the judgment day because, as HE wrote in the parable of the weeds, some of HIS sheep, HIS elect, have gone astray into sin and to call the judgment upon all evil ones would condemn them also against HIS election promise to them of salvation.

The parable tells us that we must live with the reprobate weeds. In other words, their influence upon us is good for our sanctification or HE could send them to Venus or Mars to wait for the judgment day with no need to afflict HIS people with their leaven and predacious evil.

The time of the harvest is the time of the maturity of the wheat and the only maturity that can save anyone from the judgment is a maturity in holiness, a perfect redemption and a full sanctification. Once these sinful elect, (ie, the last sinful elect) comes to a full repentance unto holiness in his heart, the elect sheep will be separated from the reprobate goats and the judgement will follow.

So it is the sins of the elect which forced the plan for earth as the prison of all sinners with a rehab centre in it for the fallen elect, HIS sheep gone astray into sin, as their best possible life to learn to come out from among the reprobate and to touch not their evil, ie, to become holy, the continuous call for HIS people as repeated in 2 Cor 6:17 Berean Standard Bible “Therefore come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.” Deuteronomy 7:2-6 Numbers 16:21,26,45 Isaiah 52:11 Ezra 6:21

GOD's plan as expressed by our creation was to have a loving marriage relationship with HIS creation, ie, with those created in HIS image as able to become a perfect Bride for HIM. Some rejected that plan, becoming the unforgivable demonic reprobate . Earth is only the contingency plan to deal with the elect who went astray into sin by refusing to accept the damnation of the reprobate as an absolute necessity...

Earth and our earthly lives are not to deal with Satan (only the judgement will do that) but to deal with the sinfulness of HIS sheep gone astray into sin, the sinful people of HIS kingdom, HIS sinful elect, to fulfill HIS plan for them to become HIS perfect Bride.

 

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Subject Heading:- 'Did God Create Evil?'

'I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things. '
(Isa 45:7)

Hello @Foster,

We have not met before, but it is good to meet you.

The following are the notes in my Bible margin in relation to the verse above (Isaiah 45:7) which I thought you may like to see, if you have not already done so:-

Create:- Hebrew the Poel Participle of the verb 'bara’ (create) which, with "evil", requires the rendering "bring about". Not the same form as in verses: Isa. 45:8, Isa. 45:12, or Isa. 45:18, in connection with the earth. In Jer. 18:11 the verb is 'yazar', to frame, or mould. In Amo. 3:6 it is ’ashah', 'to bring about'. A word of wide meaning; its sense has to be determined by its context. Here, 'disturbance' in contrast with "peace".

Evil:- never rendered "sin". God brings calamity about as the inevitable consequence of sin. It is rendered "calamity" in Psa. 141:5; "adversity" in 1Sam.10:19. Psa. 94:13. Ecc. 7:14; "grief" in Neh. 2:10. Pro. 15:10. Ecc. 2:17. Jon. 4:6; "affliction" in Num.11:11; "misery" in Ecc. 8:6; "trouble" in Psa. 41:1; "Sore" in Deu. 6:22; "noisome" in Eze. 14:15, Eze, 14:21; "hurt" in Gen. 26:29; "wretchedness" in Num. 11:15; also "harm", "ill", and "mischief". Compare Jer. 18:11, and Amo. 3:6.
See note on "create", above.

* I hope you, or a fellow member, will find this useful.

That God be glorified.
Within Christ Jesus
Chris.

 

[TedT]

no its the original fall but occured after the creation week.

Hmmm...this would mean that they rebelled against HIM, HIS glorious majesty, rejecting HIM as their GOD, AFTER having seen the proof of HIS divinity and eternal power in the creation of the universe, Rom 1:20. Remember that old phrase, 'does not compute'??

I think that the serpent was already fallen when the garden was created and first inhabited...he came into the garden with evil intent to seduce Eve.

I suggest that Satan et al fell before seeing the proof of YHWH's divinity and eternal power or he would never have rebelled. But he was a sinner so that as Rom 1:18+ tells us, when he saw the truth he could not escape the grip of his sinfulness.

 

[jeremiah1five]

where is that scripture in the bible?

God create, not created evil. Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." 101G see no ed at the end of create. meaning that he is the Author of Evil. just as the mistake many think that the devil is sin, no he's only evil.

and just because something or some one is "EVIL" do not necessary means that they are SIN. both Good and Evil have their place in God economy of life. 101G suggest many need to study this scripture closely, Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

101G.

To understand man's creative 'make-up' there are three tenets of our understanding God:

There is only ONE God
There is NONE like Him
He gives His glory to NO ONE.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So God chose Lucifer to rebel? And 1/3 of the angels, allegedly.

No, those choices are part of their nature of being created "less" or fallen short of the glory of God.

The nature of chickens is to eat seed, and the nature of cheetahs is to eat meat. Chickens will not eat meat nor cheetahs eat seed. A leopard cannot change its spots.

Could be. It certainly has played nicely into God's plans that he made for this creation we live in.

Also backs up well in Is 45:7 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Bravo. This was a thought I never had. You done well.

Good to read. I've read many theological books and learned much but when I come to a passage that contradicts someone - even myself - I must reconsider my positions and understandings. Take for example the textbook teaching from many theologians through history who believe Lucifer and the angels that sinned are loose upon the earth and complicit in man's sinful ways. The so-called "the devil made me do it" cannot be true else upon what basis can God judge man if there is influence upon his choices by others? I think 2 Peter 2:4 gives me pause to hold that there are fallen angels loose on the planet doing their own thing. If God is Sovereign, then even fallen angels are obedient to God. But that is irrelevant when Peter says the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment. Or the belief that demons are fallen angels of a different class. Why create or coin a new Greek word to describe them as fallen angels? The Hebrew "malak" or the Greek "angelos" doesn't suffice? No, no, there's something else involved here. In the end we must all see the same Jesus; we must all say the same thing as God. To do otherwise is to oppose Him.