Satan and his Lies

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

The religions of this world blame God's Law that they preach is "Impossible" to obey.

When are you going to stop lying? Never? Listen carefully to me: God's law is spiritual, holy, and good, there's no fault with God's law, the fault is with Adam's children, being born in his likeness, with a sinful nature that considers the word of God pure foolishness, and are at enmity against its commandments that are spiritual, holy and good. Did you get this? If yes, then, stop lying.

Hebrews 8:7​

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel (Gentiles) and with the house of Judah: (Jews)”

The fault is with Adam's posterity, being wicked sinners unable to keep its righteous laws, not even for a second in the pure, perfect, manner in which Jesus Christ did in thoughts, words, and deeds from conception until the death of his body.

And now you, according to the course of this world, Blame God for Adam and Eve's sin, because God sent Adam and Eve into a wilderness against the greatest danger that you and Civic preach God ever created,

Stop your lying. I have never blamed God for any man's sin, never. God's ways are equal, just and good, it is us (you and me) whose ways are crooked, perverse and wicked, even on our best days.

Ezekiel 18:25​

“Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?”

The preaching that God left Eve defenseless, without God, Without any assistance in the garden with the talking snake, is one of the most wicked philosophies and judgment against God I have ever encountered, and according to what is actually written, it is an insidious falsehood which I will demonstrate with the Sword of the Lord.

Stop your lying....God never left Adam or Eve defenseless, he created them very good and provided all they needed to continue in that state, what he did not do was to SECURED them in that state...a big difference and you know that to be so, yet you keep lying. Under the New Covenant God secures eternal life for his elect through His Son, Jesus Christ, the Lord. You can take my words and spin them anyway you want to, and you will, yet it is very plain as to what I believe and teach, to any honest person reading thsi thread.

Tell me Red Baker, What more could God have given Eve to overcome this temptation? What other assistance did she need, according to you, to keep herself from sin?

You are the preacher here. You are the one that is preaching to others that God sent Eve into the world "without any assistance".

Nothing, ~all that God did was very good. The sin was Eve's and Adam's. He just did not secured them from falling and neither was He under obligation to do so.

So then tell us, what more did Eve Need besides belief Red. It's called "Faith". Will you blame God for that too, claiming that God withheld "Belief" from her also? As a matter of Fact, that is what you also preach.

God is infinite in knowledge and wisdom ~ what he did was perfect and more than enough. They had no sin nature as we do, all they needed was provide for them to not sin. Yet God did not secured them from not sinning, for if he would had, they would not have sinned, What's so hard about receiving this truth? I know why, it would destroy your whole theology , your golden calf that you adorn and worrship.

What a wicked judgment against Jesus' Father and my Father.

The only wicked doctrine here is your gospel of works seeking to be accpeted by your own filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6​

“But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”

 

[FreeInChrist]

@Studyman

When are you going to stop lying? Never? Listen carefully to me: God's law is spiritual, holy, and good, there's no fault with God's law, the fault is with Adam's children, being born in his likeness, with a sinful nature that considers the word of God pure foolishness, and are at enmity against its commandments that are spiritual, holy and good. Did you get this? If yes, then, stop lying.

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AND, the fault is also with those of free will, that you disbelieve in, for there are those who will always considers the word of God pure foolishness,

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman

Actually. my rellgion is much different from the world's, and yours. Yours's is more from the Sadducees of Jesus' day, who rejected spirits/Satan as separate entity from the human heart/mind of man, even though man in his fall and depravity have taken on the image of Satan, who is the father of all who serve sin.

I believe in Angels and Lucifer etc. I have just come to know that the spirit that caused Lucifer to, of his own free will, transgress God's commandment, is the same spirit that caused Adam and Eve, of their own free will, to transgress God's commandment. And it's the same spirit that causes you and I to, of our own free will, transgress God's Commandments.

I also believe in the Words of the Jesus "of the bible" who teaches that men are defiled from evil thoughts, sinful thoughts from within, not from without, as you and this world's religions promote.

It's not a sin to have an evil thought. It's a temptation. Sin occurs when you are drawn away by the evil thought. Paul called it, "The Simplicity of Christ".

You blame God for your sin because you "choose to believe", of your own free will, that God created you with a "sin nature". Filling you "spiritual ignorance, darkness, and a nature of enmity against God.

Just as you preach falsely that God sent Eve defenseless, "with no assistance at all from God", into a world with, what you also preach is the most deceitful, and desperately wicked of all of God's creation, without even warning her about it.

This is an evil and wicked judgment against God, founded on "spiritual ignorance, darkness, and a nature of enmity against God, and you make this judgment from the dictates of your own heart, of your own free will, on this forum all the time.

I too, could be drawn away by this evil thought. And I have the Free will ability, given to me from my Creator, the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, to choose to adopt your words over Gods. And this ability to do so is not Evil, it is good and given to me from God.

I also have been given by the Same God, the free will ability to reject your words, and choose instead to place my belief and trust in the Word of God. This also is good and given me from my Father.

What you refuse to accept, that I hope others will consider, is that the "choice" God gives me, "Death or Life", is not Evil. And the Ability HE gives me to choose one or the other, is NOT Evil.

Evil occurs when I choose, of my own free will, to be drawn away from God by the thoughts from within.

This is what happened to Lucifer, Adam and Eve, Cain, Children of Israel etc., and God gave us the stories to teach us.

1 Cor. 10: 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written "for our admonition", upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[mikesw]

I believe in Angels and Lucifer etc. I have just come to know that the spirit that caused Lucifer to, of his own free will, transgress God's commandment, is the same spirit that caused Adam and Eve, of their own free will, to transgress God's commandment. And it's the same spirit that causes you and I to, of our own free will, transgress God's Commandments.

There is no "Lucifer" in scripture. That only is a Latin word that was transliterated from the Vulgate translation. Does this mean you do not believe there exists one who is named Satan? Sorry if I have gotten confused and maybe missed something. It seemed to take a bunch of posts for you to say some entity exists after avoiding saying Satan exists. I just think that the existence of Satan, as one named in scripture, has more relevance and reality than something of a Latin word used to describe the great fall of the king of Babylon.

 

[FreeInChrist]

There is no "Lucifer" in scripture. That only is a Latin word that was transliterated from the Vulgate translation. Does this mean you do not believe there exists one who is named Satan? Sorry if I have gotten confused and maybe missed something. I just think that the existence of Satan, as one named in scripture, has more relevance and reality than something of a Latin word used to describe the great fall of the king of Babylon.

mikesw,

You have got to stop doing this. You made my heart beat faster then the lead car in a Nascar race. So exuberant was I to think Jimmy had made another error translating this name.

Isaiah 14:12 KJ and NKJ

King James Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

New King James Version
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

But alas! He did not as we can see from a Septuagint Translation

Brenton Septuagint Translation
How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent orders to all the nations is crushed to the earth.

And from the interlinear.

lā·’ā·reṣ, niḡ·da‘·tā šā·ḥar; ben- hê·lêl miš·šā·ma·yim

,to the ground [How] you are cut down ! of the morning son , Lucifer, from heaven


nā·p̄al·tā ’êḵ gō·w·yim. ‘al- ḥō·w·lêš

you are fallen How ! the nations on You who weakened

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance lucifer From hê-lêl-Strong's 1666 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star -- lucifer.

 

[mikesw]

mikesw,

You have got to stop doing this. You made my heart beat faster then the lead car in a Nascar race. So exuberant was I to think Jimmy had made another error translating this name.

Isaiah 14:12 KJ and NKJ

King James Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

New King James Version
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

But alas! He did not as we can see from a Septuagint Translation

Brenton Septuagint Translation
How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent orders to all the nations is crushed to the earth.

And from the interlinear.

lā·’ā·reṣ, niḡ·da‘·tā šā·ḥar; ben- hê·lêl miš·šā·ma·yim

,to the ground [How] you are cut down ! of the morning son , Lucifer, from heaven


nā·p̄al·tā ’êḵ gō·w·yim. ‘al- ḥō·w·lêš

you are fallen How ! the nations on You who weakened

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance lucifer From hê-lêl-Strong's 1666 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star -- lucifer.

I should have said there is no "lucifer" in the Greek or Hebrew text. Like I mentioned, this is a transliteration of a Latin word and thus is not a name. It does not matter how many translations do the same error, this remains an errant trend-- no significance to the actual text. It is one of the lies of Satan to claim any of Isaiah 14 as somehow Satan having this glory.