My Kenosis full understanding

[Red Baker]

This is why I have personally worked out a practical method for confronting and uprooting the disordered ego, because without that inner battle there is no real imitation of Christ.
I truly appreciate your emphasis, because by linking the ego you touch on a decisive point. The Cross and the kenosis of Christ reveal that the disordered ego is in fact our great inner enemy, the root of most of our sins.

I may come back later today and show why this is pure vain philosophy, after the tradition of men void of the Spirit of God. Strong words, but words that must be spoken!

Colossians 2:8​

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

You said: "I have personally worked out a practical method for confronting and uprooting the disordered ego.

God has already solved this problem for his elect through Jesus Christ's perfect obedience for us, imputed freely by grace, a NEW MAN within us, and discarding the old man, which is corrupt, and commands his children to put him to death by not feeding him and has commanded us to put on the new man which after God is created in righteousness, with spiritual wisdom and true knowledge, which enable us to see through men like you who is peddling another gospel, having another spirit, and preaching another jesus.

We do not need your vain philosophy that you have worked out, you can keep it and died by it and see how far that gets you!

 

[Milo Flores]

I may come back later today and show why this is pure vain philosophy, after the tradition of men void of the Spirit of God. Strong words, but words that must be spoken!

Colossians 2:8​

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

You said: "I have personally worked out a practical method for confronting and uprooting the disordered ego.

God has already solved this problem for his elect through Jesus Christ's perfect obedience for us, imputed freely by grace, a NEW MAN within us, and discarding the old man, which is corrupt, and commands his children to put him to death by not feeding him and has commanded us to put on the new man which after God is created in righteousness, with spiritual wisdom and true knowledge, which enable us to see through men like you who is peddling another gospel, having another spirit, and preaching another jesus.

We do not need your vain philosophy that you have worked out, you can keep it and died by it and see how far that gets you!

I think there may be a misunderstanding. When I speak of a “method” to confront my disordered ego, I don’t mean philosophy or human wisdom. I mean the practical application of the Word of God to my own life. Scripture commands us to “deny ourselves and take up the cross” (Luke 9:23), to “examine ourselves” (2 Cor 13:5), to “put off the old man” (Eph 4:22–24), and to pray: “Search me, O God, and know my heart” (Psalm 139:23–24).


What I share is simply my personal way of obeying those commands through self-inspection, analysis of my motives, and choosing better ways to live the Christian life. I don’t base this on any human authors, but only on Scripture. Grace saves us, yes, and grace also trains us (Titus 2:11–12). If I have expressed it clumsily, forgive me — my only intent is to live out what Christ already worked for us at the cross.

 

[Red Baker]

@Milo Flores

The kenosis heresy is the belief that Jesus Christ, upon his incarnation, fully gave up or set aside some or all of his divine attributes, such as omniscience or omnipotence. This theological error, which contradicts the orthodox Christian doctrine of the hypostatic union, claims that Jesus was not fully divine while on Earth. Instead of literally emptying himself of deity

Is this your beliefs?

 

[Milo Flores]

@Milo Flores

The kenosis heresy is the belief that Jesus Christ, upon his incarnation, fully gave up or set aside some or all of his divine attributes, such as omniscience or omnipotence. This theological error, which contradicts the orthodox Christian doctrine of the hypostatic union, claims that Jesus was not fully divine while on Earth. Instead of literally emptying himself of deity

Is this your beliefs?

Thank you for your question. To be clear: I do not believe in an ontological Trinity as declared in Nicea, because that was a human dogma, not the Gospel. If that means I am to be called a heretic, I accept it — it would not be the first time I am excluded for remaining faithful to what I understand of Christ. My faith is not in creeds written by men, but in the living Christ of Scripture.


For me, kenosis is the key: “He emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant” (Philippians 2:7). In His incarnation, He did not lose deity, but chose humility and obedience. On the cross, He carried that self-emptying to the end, giving His life for us. That is the Christ I follow: not as a theory, but as a life of humility, service, and the renunciation of ego.


And if some want to build walls with dogmas, I only remind them: Christ came to break down the walls of division (Ephesians 2:14). He did not come to imprison us in formulas, but to set us free in love. Walls are made by men; Christ builds bridges of grace. I only seek to imitate Him — to walk in His light, in His agape, and in His kenosis lived out in daily life.

 

[Dizerner]

So yes — kenosis, self-emptying, is crucial, but not as a way to “earn” heaven. It is simply making space for the grace of Christ, who alone saves. And that grace keeps us sober: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (Matthew 24:13).

I agree with your ChatGPT sermon more or less, but it evades the point I made.

Self-righteousness is one of the worst sins of them all, and to truly be sanctified you must renounce false ideas about your own goodness and perfection, and realize you are a truly a sinner who is only saved by grace.

Yes, we must be alert to not fall into serious sins and lose our faith. But we must be even MORE alert not to allow secret spiritual pride to foster inside our heart at how holy we think we are becoming.

Good people do not go to heaven. No one is good.

SAVED sinners go to heaven, who know that on their best days, they are still worthy of hell.

I like you, Milo—and I feel you have an open heart.

Please continue to pray and consider this.

 

[Dizerner]

In His incarnation, He did not lose deity, but chose humility and obedience. On the cross, He carried that self-emptying to the end, giving His life for us. That is the Christ I follow: not as a theory, but as a life of humility, service, and the renunciation of ego.

Christ did indeed put his Father above himself, praise Yah.

I appreciate how you have articulated this. In theology we call this Functional or Semi Kenosis.

Christ gave up the use of his divine glory and attributes to live and function as a true man.

But Christ remained fully divine in his person.

 

[mikesw]

I agree with your ChatGPT sermon more or less, but it evades the point I made.

Self-righteousness is one of the worst sins of them all, and to truly be sanctified you must renounce false ideas about your own goodness and perfection, and realize you are a truly a sinner who is only saved by grace.

Yes, we must be alert to not fall into serious sins and lose our faith. But we must be even MORE alert not to allow secret spiritual pride to foster inside our heart at how holy we think we are becoming.

Good people do not go to heaven. No one is good.

SAVED sinners go to heaven, who know that on their best days, they are still worthy of hell.

I like you, Milo—and I feel you have an open heart.

Please continue to pray and consider this.

I like your summary here. It seems most if not all variances from the central Christian view is that people decrease who Jesus is (so as to make him more like us) and to increase who we see ourselves as -- like ones able to establish our own righteousness. Your message is good regarding the idea of avoiding serious sins and losing one's faith.

 

[Red Baker]

@Milo Flores

Thank you for your question. To be clear: I do not believe in an ontological Trinity as declared in Nicea, because that was a human dogma, not the Gospel. If that means I am to be called a heretic, I accept it — it would not be the first time I am excluded for remaining faithful to what I understand of Christ. My faith is not in creeds written by men, but in the living Christ of Scripture.

Greetings Milo,

Neither do I, and what you have said here I agree, with the same results as well, but for different reasons obviously.

For me, kenosis is the key: “He emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant” (Philippians 2:7).

For the bible believer the scriptures are to be followed as to keep in tact Christ's full Deity as God manifest in the flesh, yet as man sent by God, to do for man what he could not do for himself in the same body of the likeness of sinful flesh to condemned sin in the flesh as Christ so perfectly did so as the last Adam.

That is the Christ I follow: not as a theory, but as a life of humility, service, and the renunciation of ego.

I think we all can agree with this, as long as we maintain Christ's full deity, as the I AM THAT I AM.

And if some want to build walls with dogmas, I only remind them: Christ came to break down the walls of division (Ephesians 2:14). He did not come to imprison us in formulas, but to set us free in love. Walls are made by men; Christ builds bridges of grace. I only seek to imitate Him — to walk in His light, in His agape, and in His kenosis lived out in daily life.

Agreed with this sentiment, with proper definition of kenosis base upon scriptures and knowing also Christ did not come to bring peace but a sword with truth triumphing over false peace.

Matthew 10:34​

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”

You said: "Christ builds bridges of grace".................... then you need to stay, and see if you can do do so, I know by experience that God's truth will never build friendship in the world of so many voice where God's voice has never been welcome.

Luke 16:15​

“And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.”

Hebrews 13:13​

“Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.”

You must stay and willingly bear reproach for Christ's sake, knowing at times you may be right when you know others are wrong, leaving when some may (and will) disagree is not the way faithful soldiers in the past have done, stand where God at the moment has placed you before moving on. If it would help you, I may move on since my time may be finished here.