Did God Create Evil?

I already know you reject the Bible, that says the many shall be condemned for the ONE person's transgression.
Interpreting this different from you does not mean I reject scripture as you well know!!

Berean Standard Bible
Rom 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man... does NOT say that we are condemned for Adam's transgression but that sinners are put into his death....so that one act of righteousness could encompass all elect sinners so He would not have to die once for each elect sinner!

You interpret what is written to fit your perspective of your theology but that is not the only interpretation available.
 
You interpret what is written to fit your perspective of your theology but that is not the only interpretation available.

That is false.

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18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. (Rom. 5:18-19 NKJ)

By your logic Jesus giving us his righteousness is immoral.

You've set yourself up against the standard of God's Word because you internally dislike it!
 
However, Arminians believe Adam had free will.

For you to say God caused Adam's free choice, is to misrepresent their beliefs.
No sir...GOD did not cause Adam's free will choice to become a sinner in any way by any means...just as HE did not cause YOU to become a sinner at conception against or without your free will by any way or any means including making you to be conceived in Adam!

May I suggest you forget your theology and think about it?
 
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18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation,
Ok, but this has to align with Jn 3:18
Berean Standard Bible
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in Him is not judged, but the one not believing already has been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So how does your interpretation of through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation,
reconcile with the fact that believers who sin are never condemned / judged???

At this time I contend that the condemnation of the sinful elect, ie the believing elect sinners are condemned into Adam's death, not eternal death, so that Christ's righteous death saves them all with one death, not many.
 
Sorry - I do not think your interpretation of the scripture about the gospel is the truth...

Likewise.

I would urge you to be more sensitive to the Spirit's conviction and allow yourself to question the purity of your own motives and spend more time seriously seeking God in prayer.

I have done these things, and I know I have found God, and not thought up my own preference.

I know you do not believe what you do because you are willing to sacrifice your own preferences.
 
I don't believe you.

People think watching a few videos and writing up some ideas of what they want the Bible to say is "seeking God."

I guarantee you have not spent hours in prayer sacrificing your own desires.
Jesus spoke of those who loved to be seen by men. To boast of one's hours in prayer and sacrificing your own desires - means you have just lost your reward. Your "reward" is in whatever praise you get from men, for when you seek man's praise, you won't get God's approval OR reward. One who is truly seeking God does not go around telling people what they're doing.
 
Jesus spoke of those who loved to be seen by men. To boast of one's hours in prayer and sacrificing your own desires - means you have just lost your reward.

That's actually false and unbiblical.

There are biblically justified reasons to tell someone you have prayed, and you do not "lose your reward for it."


I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; (1 Cor. 14:18 NKJ)

I guess Paul just lost all of his rewards here for telling these people he prayed more than them all.

Or it could be that Paul knew setting a good example would motivate and inspire people.


But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; (Lk. 22:32 NKJ)

I guess Jesus lost all credit here because he did not pray in secret and told his disciples about his intercession.

In fact, Jesus, according to you, would be a hypocrite for "bragging" about his prayer.



But no—your comment was thoughtless, and in a bad spirit.

Simply making a statement does not qualify as bragging, it is the motivation behind it.

You are wrong, and you should repent of accusing a godly person so quickly, and reflect on your bad attitudes.

Your "reward" is in whatever praise you get from men, for when you seek man's praise, you won't get God's approval OR reward. One who is truly seeking God does not go around telling people what they're doing.

Next time read your Bible first.

Then you won't look so foolish.
 
Genesis 1-2 never say or imply any such thing regarding the creation days. Evil is not a creation but a result of the fall ( sin, rebellion) of both angels and man.
Yes, I used to believe that about man and woman but after studying the question there are three things that must pass muster before I return to the textbook answer that they were created anything other than "fallen short of the glory of God" and "missing the mark" of the glory of God, or the glory that is God.

Scripture records Isaiah saying, "there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He [God] gives His glory to NO ONE." This means that all creation - man and beast - were created sinful, or as Strong defines the word, "sinful."

The textbook answer is that Adam (and woman) was created "holy" or "sinless" or "righteous", or "innocent." But these are the Deific Attributes and Nature of God. They are the glories that set God apart from creation, even the material creation, which is not sinless, not "holy" not "righteous" nor "innocent." The word in Isaiah 45:7 is the Hebrew word (from [#7489] (ra`a`); bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral).) It is also true that sin comes from sinner, sin does not come from holy.

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Samuel 24:13.

First Corinthians 15 makes great distinction between the first Adam and the last Adam (Christ.) One is of the earth, earthy, the other is the Lord from heaven. One is created from material already created (man), the other in uncreated, the Lord from heaven.

We know God did not copy, give, reduplicate, or share any of His Nature or Deific Attributes with man. Man was not created eternal - another glory of God. Even if man did not disobey God he would have died in time. Sinlessness is [a] nature and glory of God. And even if God did reduplicate or share His glory of Sinlessness with/in man the man would have to possess ALL the Deific Attributes and Nature of God else he would fall short of the glory of God. The only Persons that can stand before a Holy and Righteous and Sinless God is a Holy Son and Holy Spirit. God Himself is the standard by which all things are judged against. Creation is not eternal, and neither is man in his creation from the dust from the ground. Man sinned because he was created a sinner. Neither do I believe in a "Fall" for man had already sinned by adding to God's Word - "neither shall ye touch it [the Tree.]"

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

Since man was not created eternal (a glory of God) he would have eventually died in time. In this alone man falls short of God's glory and the word for this is "sin." The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was a natural, ordinary tree. But God used it to give the man (and woman) the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. Then there is the Tree of Life. But there was no prohibition from eating from this tree. And the fact that God told Adam "Thou shalt not" in the Garden also points to Adam's sinfulness. I make no distinction between the Law of God and the Command of God. The Law of God are His Commands, and the Commands of God are Law. Saul brings clarity on this question here:

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Romans 7:7–9.

Verse 7 can be applied to Adam taking this form:

Adam: "What shall say then? Is the Law/Command sin? God forbid! Nay, I had not known disobedience except the Law/Command said, thou shalt not eat of it."

Without the command to not eat [from the Tree] man was still sinful but when the command came, sin revived and [Adam] died. The first Adam was not a reduplication of God nor did God share His glory of Sinlessness with Adam. Sinlessness is the Nature of God. Adam sinned because he was a sinner. He is not a sinner because he sinned. The one upholds the Doctrine of Imputation, the other destroys the Doctrine of Imputation. Therefore, the creation of man (and angel) was less than God. This, too, is a fallen short of the glory of God, or the glory that is God.

Another point is that all creation falls short of the glory of God. Adam sinned because he was a sinner. But because God cursed the ground man was spared eternal death. The animals did not sin against God but in time they also died. And death is the judgment for sin. Scripture also says that God created man in the image of God, but the image of God Himself is Christ.

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Colossians 1:15.

Natural, earthy, man is not the image of God. The Lord from heaven (Christ) is. And there is no better image of a father than a Son. God looked forward to the new man (in Christ) that possesses the image of God as we are in our conversion being conformed into the image of Christ - not Adam.

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Ephesians 4:24.

There is only One God.
There is None like Him.
He gives His glory to No One.

Holding to these three tenets about God by Isaiah the reality of man's creation is clear. He possessed none of the Deific Attributes or Nature of God. He was created sinful, or "missing the mark."
What is the "mark" missed?
The glory of God.
The word for that is "sin"

I've only touched on a couple of questions going to the creation of man. There is more.
 
You're showing your twisted mind.
No, I have posted the Scripture. Isaiah says God created evil. ALL things in creation are the result of God creating them into existence as Isaiah 45:7 says:

7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7.

Not only do I accept what is written by the prophet Isaiah, I also understand it.
 
No, God did not create evil.

Ezekiel 28 describes how even Lucifer (Satan), who was created with such care by His Creator, became the personification of evil; not only that, it is written that he drew one-third of God’s “stars” astray.

Ezekiel 28:12-19 (KJV) 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.
Revelation 12:4 (KJV) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


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I always find it an incredible thing that many will outright contradict Scripture and God to His face in order to hold to opposition of God's Word. Isaiah 45:7 says, "[God] created evil."
 
I always find it an incredible thing that many will outright contradict Scripture and God to His face in order to hold to opposition of God's Word. Isaiah 45:7 says, "[God] created evil."
I always find it an incredible thing that you will not rightly divide the word of God; do you not know Him by now, @jeremiah1five ?

Here is what Isaiah 45:7 says:
Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

The translation of Isa. 45:7 from the Hebrew reads in the Interlinear as:

"I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create calamity - I Yahweh do all [these] things."
The word that is translated in the KJV and YLT, and several English versions as "evil" is Strong's Heb 7451 "ra'". The English definition is adversity; bad, evil. The grammatical use as an adjective is "evil", but as a noun which is the part used in the Isa. 45:7 it includes "distress, misery, adversity, calamity". Source: BDB at Biblehub.

The AMP has "causing peace and creating disaster". The CEB has "make prosperity and create doom". The CJB has it as "I make well-being; I create woe". These are better translations of the context and meaning of Isa. 45:7.

The context of the Isa. ch. 45 (continuing from Isa. 44:28) is of the chosen king Cyrus, approx. 150 years before Cyrus came to throne of Persia. Isaiah prophesied during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah during the latter part of the eighth century BC from about 740 to 701 BC. (1)

Throughout this chapter God was making Himself known to Cyrus before Cyrus was even born. As Daniel prospered in the captivity under Darius and Cyrus (Dan. 6:28), it is most likely that Daniel related Isaiah's prophesy to Cyrus. Josephus believed this was so in his "Antiquities of the Jews" XI.1.2. (2)

So, Isa. 45:7 means that YHWH is the only God, and that He alone is the author of light and darkness, of peace and of adversity. He raises up kings and nations, and he throws them down (Psa. 52:5) .

"But the Lord is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation." (Jer. 10:10, RSV)

"13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:

14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.

15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:

16 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate."
(Ezek. 14:13-16, KJV)
The evil, or adversity that God creates are the judgments against the nations, and against people who sin; who turn to pagan idols, and turn away from Him.

"17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the Lord." (Jer. 12:17, KJV)
 
Ok, but this has to align with Jn 3:18
Berean Standard Bible
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in Him is not judged, but the one not believing already has been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So how does your interpretation of through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation,
reconcile with the fact that believers who sin are never condemned / judged???

At this time I contend that the condemnation of the sinful elect, ie the believing elect sinners are condemned into Adam's death, not eternal death, so that Christ's righteous death saves them all with one death, not many.
Romans 5: 18 states. So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

Romans 5:19 states For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

So one verse later we drop from all to many? So @TedT , What opinions do you have on this, as the commentaries, as is expected are all over the borad.?
 
I think we have all heard this one. That evil is the absence of good, along with darkness being the absence of light. This idea matches Genesis 1:31, where God declares everything as “very good.” Evil entered the world through human actions, influenced by deception, not as a direct creation of God.

Understanding these distinctions helps us grasp the complex issue of evil within God’s creation. It reminds us that evil’s presence doesn’t diminish God’s goodness.

The question of whether God created evil is a deeply complex one. The Bible offers insights into this issue it states that God created the world and all in it as “very good.” This implies evil was not part of His original plan.

Consider for a moment that according to the Righteousness of God, there is something truly Holy and Devine about having a Free will. God could have simply created a world with flesh robots programed to obey His Righteousness perfectly. But HE didn't do that. He created a world with two voices. His Voice, and voices that are not His. Choosing of our own free will to live by His Word, is good and is called "Faith". Choosing to live by the voices of others, is evil and called Sin. There is something Holy about a man "choosing" God's word over any other voice in the garden God placed us in.

Evil is therefore, simply choosing to live by a voice other than Gods. And Faith is therefore, choosing to live by Every Word of God.

HE created Holy Scriptures which give us HIS Voice, and hundreds of examples of men who choose His voice, over the other voices in the garden HE places them in. And hundreds of examples of men who chose the other voice, over His. In fact, I have searched, and cannot find even ONE circumstance I have experienced in my 63 years of life, that can't be found in the Holy Scriptures.

There is something Holy and truly righteous in God's Eyes, about a mortal human choosing to live by HIS Voice, in every situation. He pleads with people, "Today, if you hear MY Voice, harden not your hearts", like the examples of men who hardened their hearts, that HE had written "for my admonition". He gave example after example from Adam and Eve, to Revelations about men choosing Faith over evil, regardless of the circumstance.

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

All these examples of men choosing to live by God's voice, AKA "Faith" over any other voice, in every possible circumstance.

We know we have free will by virtue of the commandment "Thou shall not". Evil is choosing to discard these words, Faith is choosing to live by these Words.

And this program is considered "Good and Holy" by the God who created it.

I'm OK with that.
 
Romans 5: 18 states. So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

Romans 5:19 states For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

So one verse later we drop from all to many? So @TedT , What opinions do you have on this, as the commentaries, as is expected are all over the borad.?
Rom 5:18 So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, [ie, the death that came to all people] so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.

The condemnation of sinners spoken of here is the judgement of death on self created sinners, self created by their own free will decision to become sinful in HIS sight, NOT the imputation of sin unto non-sinners.

Romans 5:19 states For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made [constituted, ie, created as,] sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

While it behooves orthodoxy to choose to translate kathistēmi as constituted, ie, created as, (which is perfectly acceptable) because they can make it fit by eisegesis their presupposition of our being created on earth at conception or birth inheriting Adam's sin. It is also perfectly acceptable to translate kathistēmi as: to declare, show to be and to show or exhibit one's self, to come forward as, also perfectly acceptable, which is a perfect fit for the PCE contention that our being born human shows, proves, that we are already sinners, shown to be and exhibited as already sinners.

Strong's G2525 - kathistēmi: to set, place, put
- to set one over a thing (in charge of it)
- to appoint one to administer an office
- to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be
- to constitute, to render, make, cause to be
- to conduct or bring to a certain place
- to show or exhibit one's self, come forward as

".....through the disobedience of the one man many were shown to be sinners...." (Romans 5:19) is within the meaning of the word kathistēmi.

So while I can accept that the word may be used as orthodoxy (especially Calvinism) would like it to be used, I find no reason to think it FORCES us to accept that we are created as sinners by the disobedience of one man when it can rather be accepted that the judgement of death upon the one man is proof that all who are born in him are only shown to already be sinners by becoming human. In other words, the word already in John 3:18 applies to both the sinful believers who are not condemned and to those sinners condemned in their unbelief.

Without being FORCED by scripture to accept this word in this place as referring to our creation, I still feel it quite acceptable to reject the blasphemy that the GOD who is light and love creates evil people thru no fault of their own by making them, forcing them, to be human in Adam.

What Possible Reason could there be to make, create, HIS Bride as disgustingly corrupt in Adam then to save her for the wedding? I cannot even accept that HIS nature allows HIM to create Satan and the demons as evil for some purpose so how can I accept that this is how HE creates HIS Bride!!!??
 
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But HE didn't do that. He created a world with two voices. His Voice, and voices that are not His.
Ummm, I do not believe that HE created the world with two voices but only the possibility that those whom HE created with a free will with an equal ability and opportunity to chose by their free will to put their faith, and unproven hope, in HIM as their GOD and Saviour before sinning or to rebuke HIM by faith, an unproven hope, as a liar and therefore a false god, thereby sinning the eternal, unforgivable sin unto condemnation.

All sin and evil arose from the creature himself by his own free will and not in the least in any way from the WILL of GOD.
 
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