The rich man became saved when the Holy Spirit came down in Acts 2. Three thousand Jews were born again. No Gentiles. The Hebrew people have covenant of salvation with God, Gentiles don't. If you want to talk about a people that are damned start with Gentiles. The whole lot of non-Hebrew Gentiles get their comeuppance in Revelation 20:7-9. Doesn't look good for them at all.
It is not fatalistic. It is a realist view. The Jews rejected God in the Old Testament, and then rejected Christ in the New Testament. The thing you seem intent on ignoring is all the prophecy in the Old Testament. The most important being the 70 weeks prophecy. The other is Israel's last exile, and the Leviticus principle, which some say put the end of the exile as 1948. (Strangely enough that is when Israel became a nation again...however, that is those pesky dispensationalists, so it can't be true, right?) The Old Testament makes it clear that all Israel will not be saved. In fact, I believe Paul said that not all who are of Israel are... of Israel. Paul also speaks of a remnant in Israel, speaking of the same remnant (new people obviously) that God spoke to Elijah about. Those whom God has set aside for Himself. No idol worshiping Hebrew/Jew will be in God's kingdom. No covenant violator will be there. It matters not what you say, for God is clear in His word.
Not yet. They are still under God's judgment. The 70 weeks has not ended yet. Why? It is the times of the Gentiles. God is dealing with the Gentiles. You know, those Gentiles who are trampling on Jerusalem until the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. At that point, God will finish His decree to Israel and their redemption will be complete.
Jesus called Judas a devil. (John 6) Apparently you only have a surface understanding, and twist everything else you do not understand. Jesus said it as striking down the shepherd and the sheep will scatter. Notice, sheep. He didn't say they were goats or any other animal. Still sheep. Consider Peter. Peter shut himself out, and went back to his old way of life because he believed that his rejection of Jesus was final. However, in his heart, Peter never rejected Jesus. Jesus knew this. Also, Jesus said that he would not lose a single one of whom the Father had given Him. The eleven, minus Judas. Though Jesus made it clear, very clear, in John 6 that Judas was not one of his. Judas in one of the only people in history who is cursed and damned by God. It doesn't matter that he is Jewish. He is accursed of God. Also, platitudes are not doctrine or theology. Platitudes are what almost got Job's friends all killed by God. Don't use platitutdes.
I'm not a fatalist. I am a realist. Also, you have no idea what I think or believe. My one prayer for a long time is that if it is in God's will, I want to live to see His glorious salvation of Israel. It will be glorious. However, your vision is not glorious. Your view does not have God rescuing Israel from the brink of disaster. It does not speak of God's judgment and the damnation of a large part of the nation of Israel, and God's glorious salvation of His remnant in Israel. If I have a fatalistic view of the gospel it is for the Gentiles who will not be saved in the same manner. (You have to read the Bible to understand what I am saying.)
There is absolutely no reason to believe this. And scripture is clear that there were proselytes (read Gentiles) there. There is no covenant of salvation. Don't invent something that does not exist. Why would God damn Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Melchizedek, Rahab, Ruth, etc. They are non-Hebrew Gentiles. Enoch walked with God, and God took him. Enoch didn't even die. There is only one other person who didn't die, and that is Elijah. Now, tradition says that Jeremiah didn't die, but, if I recall, that is not in all traditions. You put yourself at odds with those who believe the "sons of God" in Genesis are the children of Seth, and that they were perfect and sinless. (I do not believe that.)
Jesus on the night He was betrayed instituted a New Covenant in His blood in the place of the animals being sacrificed on this Yom Kippur which was Jesus' last Passover before He died. His death was to fulfill promises and prophesy of Israel's Redeemer. This cannot be taken away by anyone, not even you. And what was this New Covenant? Jeremiah provides the description of this New Covenant below:
Why would anyone trust someone who doesn't search the Scripture under the anointing to come to the knowledge of the truth? I used to believe the garbage you espouse, and I used to read and take the textbook responses you regurgitate until I rejected all those false teaching that replace Israel with Gentiles. Too bad you don't have the truth on your side. Only textbook responses. I recognize them all because I used to believe in that garbage as you do now. Very sad.
So someone who lies about God and what God has said, and makes God a liar, and one who lies about what Jesus says should be trusted to tell us about God and Jesus? Do tell.
You keep denying things that God Himself said. "Thus saith the Lord". 2/3rds of Israel will PERISH. John 3:16 ...will not PERISH but have everlasting life. They are damned. Paul already explained it. Not all who are of Israel are of Israel, and circumcision of the heart is what matters, not of the flesh. Those who are simply physical descendants of Abraham are damned, only the spiritual descendants of Abraham are truly Israel and are saved. And the Gentiles who are spiritual descendants of Abraham are only descendants because they came to Christ by faith. They are not Israel, but are blessed by Abraham's faith that God made a promise that the whole world would be blessed in Christ, Abraham's seed. And that promise, God made clear, was made solely because of Abraham's faith. We benefit from God's promise to Abraham in faith. There is no, give me now. There is no, this is owed to me. If you have faith, you are blessed in Abraham's faith. If you do not have faith, you are damned.
Gentiles are the "focus" right now because of Rome's eventual defeat of Israel and Jerusalem in AD 70. Rome did not kill mixed race Hebrews because they were at least half Gentile and Romans did have rights. Crucifixion was used on anyone except Roman citizens and those mixed race Hebrew of Gentile offspring were spared. But these mixed-race Jew-Gentile Christians were offspring of Hebrews but lived as Gentile in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture, which was the culture installed upon those peoples Alexander the Great defeated in war. These mixed-race Hebrews of Gentile descent did not know much of anything of their Hebrew culture and were left "in charge" of the Christian church and churches in Jerusalem and elsewhere. This was where the ascent of "Gentiles" became the "ruling class" in the left-over Jewish Church. In time, Gentile culture became predominant and Gentiles of Hebrew descent who knew almost nothing of the Jewish history and culture were left to take the once-Jewish Christianity into the second century and beyond. This can only be the reason non-Hebrew Gentiles eventually became the norm and not the exception for according to Scripture true, Biblical Christianity was Hebrew in origin as God had no covenant with Gentiles in Scripture. Once mixed-race Hebrews who were born again and left in charge of the Jewish Church Gentile culture began to become more infused in the left in shambles Jewish Church in Jerusalem and elsewhere in the Roman Empire. These Gentile-raised Christians soon through natural order unmoored true Biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots.
And the people that Satan deceives will all be Gentiles since when God fulfills His promise to Abraham and his descendants to possess their own land there will be no Gentiles living among the Jews in this Promised Land as they are allowed to reside everywhere else on the planet except the Promised Land. Revelation 20:7-9 bears this out. It will be Gentiles that Satan deceives to again attack Israel and Jerusalem whom the Lord will consume with fire from heaven. No more Gentiles. Poof!
There is no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. there is no covenant at all in Scripture in which God promised to save Gentiles as He's promised to save and redeem Israel. The Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New Covenants do not include non-Hebrew Gentiles for the covenant begins with Abram the Hebrew and extends to his Hebrew seed (Isaac, Jacob, Jacob's twelve sons or tribes.)
If God can condemn even one person to eternal hell, then He can condemn others as well. But this is not the God of the Bible. The only people God is concerned with are Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed, a people that in 430 years become the children of Jacob (Israel.)
I see you lean on your own understanding, and completely ignore the Bible when you say this. Gentiles are the focus because the Hebrews rejected Christ. It is like the violation of the covenant. Not every Jew violated the covenant, however all were held guilty. That is most visible with Josiah. God didn't care that Josiah held to the Law with all his heart once he heard it read. He did say that he would allow Josiah to avoid God's judgment, but that doesn't change the fact that Josiah's actions did not matter in the end.
Polycarp. You don't actually research what you say do you? According to you, Polycarp must either be Hebrew (he wasn't), or a mixed race Hebrew. Why? He was a believer, a disciple of John the apostle who supported Polycarp's ascension to the bishop of Smyrna. It is also believed that after John was released from excile after the death of Diocletian, that he went to Smyrna where Polycarp was, to publish and release the book of Revelation to the church. (That would be in the 90s - 100 AD). Tradition holds that John the apostle died of old age possibly after 100 AD. Guess who the Romans killed? Polycarp. So does that mean Polycarp wasn't a mixed race Hebrew after all, but a non-Hebrew Greek person, who was arrested during one of the periods of time that Rome was persecuting the church?
You need to stop with this covenant talk. How many times does one have to point out to you where scripture clearly states that the Gentiles were saved by faith. Peter said it. Paul said it. They were not saved because they were part of the covenant. Mixed race Hebrews are still descendants of Abraham, regardless of racism from full blooded Jews. Notice how Jesus had NO problem speaking to the Samaritans. The only person Jesus had issue speaking with was the Canaanite woman, yet he marveled at her faith, and due to her faith healed her daughter. Why did Jesus marvel at her faith? She spoke truth from the heart. What did she say? Jesus likened non-Hebrew Gentiles (in this case a Canaanite) as dogs. She said that even the dogs eat of the crumbs (salvation/gospel) that fall from the table. It is an allusion to the gospel going out to the whole world. Not because the whole world deserved it. It came from the Jews, as the crumbs fall from the table.
And yet you say they have to be under the law. Galatians is clear that if you remain under the law, you will die (be damned) under the law. Why? No one can fulfill the law, so if you subject yourself to the law, then you will be damned by the law.
You keep showing that you ignore scripture. You pick some scripture, and then ignore the rest. Christ came to Israel, but His sacrifice was for the whole world. To Israel first, and then to everyone else. Guess which apostle made it all the way to Great Britian, to preach the gospel there? Was the Ethiopian that Philip spoke with part Hebrew? Considering he was a eunuch, I wouldn't believe so. (Being a literal eunuch is against Mosaic Law.) In Romans 11, Paul says that being a part of the olive tree is by faith/belief, not by being in the covenant. However, I would press that those who are part of the covenant are the natural branches. The non-Hebrew Gentiles are NOT natural branches and came from a wild tree. They are in the cultured tree solely by faith/belief, and the goodness of God. (Again, Paul does not mention any covenant.) What does Paul tell the Gentiles about the Hebrews? They are YOUR (the believing/saved Gentiles) enemies for the sake of the gospel. However, they are blessed of God not becaues of some covenant, but for the sake of their fathers. That is a common theme brought up in scripture. The only reason God didn't wipe Israel off the face of the Earth is because of the promises made to the forefathers. The covenant was violated, so not enforceable, so that is not why.
You really do need to repent of your heretical beliefs. The strangers and foreigners living in Israel in the Israel that was still a theocracy were non-Hebrew Gentiles. You should study more. Some became proselytes, some did not.
There was a promise made, if you want to consider the promise God made with Eve to be a covenant. Eve was no Hebrew. God said it is one of her seed who would defeat Satan, basically saving humanity. By the way, I know you said, but I already pointed out that SEED used with Abraham is singular and speaks of JESUS, not of Abraham's Hebrew seed. You really should rely on scripture, and not your own false understanding. In Abraham's seed Jesus, all the nations (plural) of the world will be blessed. Notice it doesn't say in Abraham. In Abraham's SEED. And it also says that this is by faith, as the promise made by God was based on Abraham's faith.
They were already there, and heard the gospel and believed. No covenant was involved. As Peter himself said to the church council in Acts, it was by faith.
And when the Jews rejected Paul, Paul said that he rejected them and would go out to the Gentiles. This was after Paul had been speaking to the GREEKS in the same area. So one of those groups, or both, are non-Hebrew Gentiles/Greeks. Paul spoke to them and they believed. Did Paul tell the jailer, be a part of the covenant and thou shalt be saved? No. He said believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
That is the God of the Bible. God has condemned many to hell. You don't have the God of the Bible. God is concerned with all people. However, the covenant and promises were made to Abram. And yes, God chose before the foundation of the world who would be saved. However, God has told us through Paul and others, what it takes to be saved. God does not wave some magic wand and boom, people are saved. For by GRACE you have been saved THROUGH FAITH, and that not of yourselves IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, lest any man shouldst boast. To lean on the covenant is to boast in the covenant. There is no boasting in salvation. That is why the seriousness in Romans 11 in dealing with the non-Hebrew Gentiles being a part of the church. Those who brag, and attack the Jewish non-believers will find themselves facing God's justice, where Jewish non-believers will quickly find God's mercy in becoming believers. God will gladly tear out that Gentile, and swifly reattach the Jew who comes to believe.
You completely forget that Paul has already defined who Israel actually is.
You have failed to understand scripture. All your "quote mining" aside, the church is a mystery in the Old Testament that is revealed in the New Testament. God's full plan of redemption was revealed in the New Testament, and it started with the Jews, and the moved out to the non-Hebrew Gentiles by the Jews. (Starting with Peter, and then Paul.) The promises of the Old Testament are for the Jews. There was no kingdom promised to the Gentiles. That is all for Israel. However, the Gentiles BENEFIT from God's promises. Again, not a difficult concept to understand.
You keep spitting out lies about Jesus and God. For instance, even though Jesus says demons exist, and this is present in other scriptures as well, you deny it. You even went as far as to make God a liar, as God had the disciples write about Jesus facing demons, and you said there are no demons. What you have said even denies what Jesus said to the religious leaders about the unpardonable sin. Jesus did not once deny that He cast out demons. He did not once say they do not exist. The difference between Jesus and everyone else is that He didn't simply cast them out. By His authority as God they listened to his command. And everytime he faced them, He commanded them to be silent because they were telling everyone who Jesus was. Things that no Jew would ever say so as not to be stoned for blasphemy. However, since it was the demons who said it, the people were not accused of blasphemy themselves.
It doesn't matter if the Hebrews rejected Jesus. That sin is covered by the blood of Christ. All Israel's sins are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Boy, are you all mixed up? Try studying the Bible without referring to textbooks and commentaries. All you need is a KJV, a good linguist, and the anointing to come to the knowledge of the truth. Do it the way Jesus taught. You're like some of these rabbi's and scribes in the Bible who refer to their rabbinical teacher who have already passed away when you consult textbooks and other peoples' bible studies.
It does matter. It matters much. It mattered enough that God through Paul spoke specifically to it. All of Israel's sins have not been washed away. Only the sins of those elect of God. Only those who go through the narrow gate, and take the narrow road. Not for those on the wide road to destruction/damnation. Or as Paul would put it, it isn't for those who are descendants of Abraham in the flesh, but for those who are spiritual descendants of Abraham. If you want to go as far as you are going, you cannot remember the verse that states that Jesus death is not just the propitiation of the sins of the Jews, but the sins of the whole world. (I take it you threw that verse out with the rest of the Bible verses you threw out.)
There is something that you do not understand. It doesn't matter that there were those who never knew Christ. Just as it is that we are sinners not because of what we have done (though we will always do it), but because of what Adam did. Paul made this clear. For by one man sin entered the world... There is no human who has ever been who has ever been sinless. Jesus is an exception because He was also God. Not every Jew violated the Mosaic covenant. Joshua and Caleb are very explicit examples. Yet they had to suffer along with the rest of Israel for disobeying God. God blessed them in that they were the only ones who were over 20 years of age whom God did not kill in the 40 year trek through the wilderness. And God blessed them in the promised land, with Caleb actually subjugating the land God gave to him on his own. (I'm prety sure he had his family and men with him, but that is still a feat in and of itself)
You fail to understand, and I am not antisemitic. As a slanderer I present you before God. Read what Paul has to say, though I'm sure you won't listen even though Paul wrote God's words, and God's commands. Jesus died for the sins of the world. He came to Israel, to His chosen people, but they received Him not. This is exactly the same as the parable of the wedding feast. The day had come, but His people to whom He came, refused to receive Him. However, the rest of the world willingly received Him. That is where the verse that says that to have many who have received Him, to them He gave the power to become children of God. That verse does not stand on its own, but is in harmony with the rest of scripture.
What did Jesus have to say?
Having seen what you have written, you need to question yourself. I have looked to commentaries for things that are not easily understood. Also... a little about myself. I was a linguist earlier in life. Why do you think I keep telling you that you are wrong. I have not yet referred to any person for what I have said. I have brought up the work of linguists, which you quickly deny. I haven't used a textbook for the Bible in close to 30 years. I rely on what I have learned in my own personal studies, and have looked to pastors and teachers whom God Himself has charged with feeding His sheep. Where would the church be if no one listened to Paul because they each had an anointing? Have you read what Paul wrote. A lot of what he wrote was attacking false teachings coming up in the church, dealing with false teachers, and with sin within the church that the church was entertaining and having to dinner (so to speak). Paul didn't hear about the sin because no one knew about it. He heard about the sin because they all knew about it, but did nothing about it, to the point that he felt he had to intervene.
What part of substitutionary sacrifice are you having trouble with? Did Jesus die on the cross to actually save someone that day or did He merely make salvation possible if one would only exert faith in Him later on?
You read the Hebrew Scripture like a Gentile completely ignoring the history between God and the Hebrew people.
Jews have NOTHING in common with Gentiles. You've been indoctrinated from birth in lies, lies, and damn lies.
What part of the bible are you having trouble with? Ephesians is clear that God foreordained us to the adoption of children in Christ. However, God chose that it would be by faith that those He adopted, those He chose before the foundation of the world, would come to salvation. The believers in the Old Testament, Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, etc. were saved when Jesus died on the cross. Those who came after have to repent and believe in Christ in order to be saved. The Bible is CLEAR. However, you have decided not to go with what scripture says. Paul was not saved until Jesus met him on the road to Damascus. A very, very clear sign that he was not saved when Jesus died on the cross. And, since you seem to have difficulty recognizing it, we are speaking temporally. We still have to live out God's plan. There is nothing automatic about what Jesus did, except for those who were already dead, but had faith in God, and thus, like Abraham, they were saved by their faith at the moment of Christ's resurrection.
Not true, but I can add that at least I know the history between God and the Hebrew people.
Stop with the red herring. The above means nothing in the supreme view of the eternal plan of God.
Can it be true that you truly don't understand who and what Paul wrote Ephesians for? Did you even bother reading it? It was written to the church which was made up of non-Hebrew Gentiles, and hellenistic Jews. There was no synagogue in Ephesus, and there has been no evidence found that there ever was a synagogue in Ephesus. Part of Ephesians is written because the tension between the non-Hebrew Gentiles and the hellenistic Jews as pretty bad. Paul is telling them that they are one in the body of Christ. He even reminds the Gentiles (the verses I posted, which you only mention a few since if you mentioned them all it would sink your argument) who they were before they came to Christ in faith.
Yes, what he tells the Gentiles:
So Paul is telling the Gentiles to remember who they were in time past as Gentiles in the flesh. So before salvation, before Christ. Paul makes fun of the Jews here with "by that which is CALLED the circumcision in the flesh made by hands." A good linguist will tell you that Paul is being sarcastic. It's that so-called circumcision. Basically Paul is stating that the circumcision doesn't mean anything in the end.
Obviously the Gentiles were without Christ. They were ALIENATED/EXCLUDED fromt he commonwealth of Israel (well, no duh, they are Gentiles). The word for aliens here is (transliterated) apallotrioo, which does not mean "aliens". I'm not sure why the translators of the King James screwed up so bad. It is easy to point out because it only shows up in like 3 verses including the one above. So here is how it is translated in other verses:
Do you know what afar off meant in Ephesians 2:13. According to the linguists, the meaning given the greek word is that they were heathen. So FAR away from what the Jews are/were. Jews are not heathens. Gentiles, now Gentiles are heathens. As for Peter "415 (387)) those that are afar off, the inhabitants of remote regions, i. e. the Gentiles, Acts 2:39, cf. Isaiah 2:2ff; Zechariah 6:15."
This is the Old testament. Read Ephesians again. The mystery was not revealed until "now" as Paul says. What is that mystery? Gentiles and Jews in the body of Christ, the church. Part of God's eternal plan in Christ. It extends way beyond the Old testament, from before the Old Testament. Before the covenant. Before all of that. All the way back to the promise made to Eve, and then even before that.
And...THAT DOESN'T MATTER. You are so far from the truth, it is blatantly obvious to one even as myself. You haven't spoken the truth about me once. You don't know what I believe, yet you come right out as though you are the subject matter expert on me. You go and say that I believe as you once did, yet everything you say is not something that I believe. It's amazing how deluded you are.
You like to make it appear Paul is saying what you want him to say by leaving out what he says.
You know. I am just going to leave you with God.
Except they didn't. And Jesus had no problem with the Samaritans, and even went to them and spoke to them as though they were simply Jews.
That simply makes them racists.
Apparently you don't know. They were sojourners, aliens, pilgrims.
Not at all. Two completely different words. Xenos in Ephesians and παρεπιδήμοις in I Peter. The difference is blatant. Your really do need a good linguist. "3927 parepídēmos – a sojourner (foreigner) – literally, someone "passing through" but still with personal relationship with the people in that locale" It should be clear that this is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from who Saul was talking about in Ephesians. I mean, reading what you say is making me physically and spiritually ill. You are twisting scripture so bad. I mean, you have already told me that God lied, and that He did not do what He told us He did. For Paul, it is saying that they are foreigners. That is they are completely outside of the covenant, which of course they are. They are Gentiles. Peter is saying that believers are just passing through. This is not their home. It isn't. Heaven is home.
Sorry, but your world of make believe is not the same as the rest of us live in. You have lied to yourself.
Tell me you haven't read and understood Ephesians without telling me you haven't read and understood Ephesians. What did Paul say. WHAT DID GOD SAY THROUGH PAUL???
It doesn't matter. You have decided to leave your fate to the Law, and Paul said that to do that is to resign oneself to damnation. If you live under the law, you are damned under the law. We are to live to Christ, who fulfilled the Law where we cannot. You have twisted and butchered the word of God to fit your beliefs.
The only people Scripture calls "adopted" are the Hebrew people. Christ is a Jewish Messiah, not a Gentile one. There are no Gentile Messiah's except the one's born of man without God. Obama was called a "Messiah." Look how that turned out.
A very good example using Saul. He wasn't looking to have faith in Christ. Jesus met him on the road as the Lord came calling, not the other way around. Besides this, there was no discussion about "faith" in Saul's conversion. Being Hebrew was all that was needed for him to come to know His Lord and King.
If one is in covenant to be saved "faith" is not required for God will make everyone who is to be saved willing on the day of their salvation. Take a look at the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. Faith is not mentioned as a requirement but circumcision is. The same with the Mosaic Covenant. There is no "faith" required in this covenant either. Only obedience. But then the sin of disobedience and of not being circumcised is not a bar to salvation either. Those sins are covered in the blood because unless God saves, then no man will be saved.
