It (Scripture) doesn't have to say anything about Gentiles not being included in any of the Hebrew covenants. The twelve tribes of Israel conquered Canaan and took over the land as commanded by God through Moses and then, Joshua.
Again, it doesn't matter. That is the part you don't get. And no, they didn't take over the land as commanded. And that is part of their violation of the covenant. They only took over part of the land, and became friends with non-Hebrew Gentiltles when God told them to destroy them all.
The Hebrew Scripture is just that - HEBREW Scripture. The twelve tribes or sons of Jacob and their descendants were a people separated unto God and separated from any Gentiles in and around Canaan.
Gee. I guess that is why Paul described the Gentiles in Ephesians as having been excluded from the covenant? Maybe? Perhaps?
They did their own thing and were commanded by God to "not mingle with the Goyim and learn their ways." God exalted Joshua in the eyes of their Gentile enemies and Joshua put the fear of God in their hearts. Israel had nothing to do with Gentiles. But you are infected with the view of looking at Israel in light of Gentiles when it is and should be the other way around. Israel was a people totally separated from the Goyim. ALL 39 "books" of the Old Testament is Hebrew history. When you stop looking at Israel as though there is something they share between them and Gentiles maybe that wuld fix your tunnel vision.
Moses married a Cushite woman. God was Okay with it. Aaron and Miriam were not. God almost killed Miriam, but instead just gave her leprosy for a time. Would that not tell you there is more to the story? They were prohibitted (apparently) from intermarriage and from taking their culture. However, the non-Hebrew Gentiles did live amongst Israel in the past, and were known as foreigners and strangers. I did argue with the Pauline dispensationalist over the scripture that said there is on difference between the Jews and the Gentiles? Why? Because he said there is and that there are no Jews in the church.
Non-Hebrew Gentiles and Israel share NO LINKS. Another problem I see in your words is you don't believe Jesus died to save anyone. Scripture records that ON THE DAY JESUS DIED He actually saved someone, NOT merely make salvation possible if someone would later 'exercise' faith in Christ.
You really do need to learn reading comprehension. I mean really. It could help you in understanding. I guess that explains how scripture can say one thing, and you twist it into something that isn't even present in the passage.
When the Jews sacrificed their animals under the Law their atonement was accomplished ON THAT DAY (Passover) and Israel's sins were "covered" beginning that day for one year until they would gather and do it all over again to cover them for one year beginning on the day the animal was sacrificed and their smoke filled God's 'nostrils' and then He absolved them of their sins for one year.
Consider this from Numbers:
"13 All that are born of the country shall do these things after this manner, in offering an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord.
14 And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; as ye do, so he shall do.
15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord."
The stranger is non-Hebrew. A Gentile. In fact, all the sacrifices in this chapter could also be offered by Gentiles.
"29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people."
Scripture is not clear on Yom Kippur, just saying that it would be a Sabbath day for both the people of the congregation (Israel) and for the strangers in the land (non-Hebrew Gentiles).
"29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a
stranger that sojourneth among you:
30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.
31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever."
"33 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation.
34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the Lord commanded Moses."
There was no law that said Gentiles could not be around. They were not to intermarry, and they were not to take up the culture. However, it isn't because it is a sin. God said it was so that they would not get led astray into following their gods. Over time the Rabbis came up with the rule of not having anything to do with Gentiles at all. It isn't part of the Law, but an overextension by the Rabbis. The Canaanite woman was in Israel when she spoke to Jesus.
This is the same thing with Jesus. When Jesus died that day on Calvary, He ACTUALLY saved someone that day and that someone were the children of Israel. If you're going to say - which is what you did - that Jesus' death did not save anyone the day He died on the cross because it isn't effectuated until someone later would believe, then you are saying that on the day Jesus died on the cross He saved NO ONE. That's because you say that anyone can be saved if they would only have faith in Jesus.
You are getting confused again. We are temporal beings. Everything that happens to us is temporal in nature. We are not eternal. We are not living in eternity. We are not saved until God saves us. We are saved in Christ because God made it so before the foundation of the world. So while everything is set in stone, from our existence, it hasn't been written yet. God holds the published copy of everything, but our copy is still being written by our existence and time. It's a difficult concept to share with you. Other people don't have an issue understanding. Saul/Paul used this in his writings to the church. He said he was the worst of all sinners, until Jesus saved Him. And that in that he (Paul) served as an example of the long suffering of our Lord Jesus Christ. God did not stop Saul after the stoning of Stephen. God waited until he was on the way to Damascus. God/Jesus longsuffering through the persecution Paul was bringing on the church against Jesus' people. Saul often brings up the contrast between his pre-saved self, and his post saved self. Why do you invalidate all of that? There were people saved when Jesus died. And there were people saved from before Jesus died, and there are still people waiting to be saved. They aren't going to die without being saved. Jesus will not lose a single one. Peter talks about God's longsuffering towards the elect of the world, not willing that any should perish (of the elect), but that all come to salvation. Universalism is a lie, so the all is not all without exception. It is all without distinction. (The elect made up of Jews and Gentiles. Peter is not focused on Israel in the statement, but eschatology.)
And the Ceremonial Law of the Mosaic Covenant is squarely about salvation. That's why God commanded such a system of worship. Israel sinned, God commanded an animal be sacrificed, and when that was done, POOF! - God's wrath is assuaged for one year until they got to do it all over again. It was temporary but it served a purpose.
It wasn't even for a year, hence having to make sacrifice everytime one sinned. Unless it was a sin of intent, in which case you were dragged out and stoned. That does not sound like the sacrifice was good for a year. They found a guy picking up sticks on the sabbath, and God ordered them to take him out and stone him. So... yeah... no.
And when Jesus was born, He knew that He was set to die and be sacrificed for the sins of Israel. When He died, He had Israel on His mind and He died on Calvary and on that day He actually saved someone: the children of Israel past, present, and future. Atonement is complete. Jesus' blood saved a people for whom the sacrifice was offered under the Law: the children of Israel. THEY are THOSE whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain. What Jesus did on the cross was to offer Himself as sacrifice to pay the penalty for sin which is death. He died and Israel is saved. He also closed off any salvation for anyone else. Christ came as Promised, and He died to save His Bride Israel. No one else can be saved but the Hebrew people and seed of Abraham. Jesus' death did not make salvation possible if 'someone would later believe.' On the day He died He saved the Hebrew people. Period.
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.
Salvation is closed. The deed is done. The Hebrew people past, present, and future are atoned by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ whom God applied His blood a "sweet-smelling sacrifice" to atone finally and totally the sins of the Hebrew people. Thus, when Jesus died on Calvary, He actually saved someone that day: Hebrews. Everyone who is named in the book of life of the lamb slain has had their sins atoned and God's wrath eliminated forever.
BUT what you have said and believe is that Jesus died on Calvary to make salvation possible for some IF they would only have faith in Him. YOUR BELIEF is that when Jesus died on Calvary, He saved NO ONE.
You say, "who will be saved" as though salvation is possible for that person if he would only believe "the gospel." That's not the salvation Jesus bought in His blood. In John 17 Jesus offers up a prayer Martin Luther calls the "Holy of Holies" prayer. Jesus sanctifies Himself, then He prays for the twelve, and then He closes out with praying for those who will believe at their word. This does not mean Jesus' sacrifice is contingent on belief, Jesus' death was used by God THAT DAY as the perfect substitute for the sins of Israel His Bride. When Jesus said from the cross, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do", WHO was He referencing? The "them" are referred to in John 17. They are also those whose names are in the book of life, and them who were ignorantly joining the call for His crucifixion (and them who were mocking Him on His cross.) Jesus died on a cross THAT DAY and people were saved THAT DAY! Mission Accomplished! He died for the Hebrews alive 100 years ago, for those alive then, and for Hebrews that would be born into this world at the appointed time, and born-again at the appointed time. Salvation is closed. The New Covenant is closed. And the Hebrew people are atoned for all time.
Let me make this perfectly clear. Let's see if you can think this through or if your Gentile-infected and infused error prevents you from thinking.
Balaam was up on a mountain when he looked down into the Jordan valley. What did he say?
"Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me."
Gentiles were not part of the record. They were nowhere to be found. No one was thinking about them. They lived and dwelled waaaayyy over there. Israel was in the Jordan Valley and NO ONE was thinking about Gentiles. Moses was in charge and Israel was his ministry. Numbers is the fourth "book" of the Pentateuch and Israel was the subject and they were central to God's plan. When Aaron offered sacrifices, they were sacrificed for Israel. They weren't sacrificed for any Gentiles. Gentiles were NOT part of the Law of God which He gave to Israel. Gentiles were NEVER atoned under the Law. Not ever.
The Church Jesus promised to build is the same "great congregation" in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle going forward. They were the Hebrew "synagogue" and they were natural Olive tree Israel.
The "Church" (Greek: "ekklesia" or "called out [ones]") Identify the Hebrew people who were called out of Egypt by God. Whether in Hebrew/Aramaic or in Greek Israel is the original and ONLY Church of God. When Gentiles ascended after the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple, they stole Israel's inheritance and terminology. Overnight everything Jewish in Biblical Christianity became Gentile. You and others don't do your due diligence to see when and how this happened. As prophesied by Saul God sent Gentiles a great delusion that they should believe a lie and at one time in my history I, too, fell for that deception. I asked easy questions after I'd seen Scripture that challenged that false Constantinian Gentile theology I was taught before I came under the anointing and studied those questions on my own. I find it incredible that the Old Testament records God making covenant for salvation with Abram and his descendants and recording it in 39 "books" of the Bible, but Gentiles are dense and can't see their way through in the fact that God never made covenant with Gentiles and then Gentiles accept they are being saved without a covenant or promises of salvation. They can't see their inconsistencies. It truly baffles me.
In the decades after Jesus ascended Jews were being born-again everyday by the thousands and then one day in AD 70 you go to sleep and wake up and mixed heritage Hebrews are left in charge in the Jewish Church and because they were so heavily infused with Gentile and Greek culture they knew nothing about Hebrew heritage and couldn't make the Jewish Church to continue to be Jewish because all they knew was Greek culture in their upbringing.
It was as Saul said of them:
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. Eph 2:12.
It was no one's fault. That's the way God was able to bring a great delusion upon the Gentile world to think Gentiles could be saved without a promise of salvation.
There is NO VERSE that says God promised Gentile's salvation. That's my point.
There is no verse that says God promised not to save Gentiles. IN fact, the only reason you say that it doesn't is because you don't properly handle the word of God. Ephesians was written to non-Hebrew Gentiles in the church with Hellenistic Jews. Before God, they are still Jews. It doesn't matter what the Jews say. Jesus proved that with the Samaritans. He considered them also to be the lost sheep of Israel.
The Mosaic Covenant is not "dead." The Ceremonial Laws are "dead", but the rest of the Law of Moses is very much still in effect. God's people are not left to lean on their own understanding in the vanity of their minds. God's Social and Moral Laws are that law which God said He will put in the inward parts of Israel. He does not leave Israel Comfortless.
Live under the law, go to hell under the Law. No man can follow the Law. Only Jesus who was both God and man. That is why Paul said such in Galatians. He tore up your idea of the covenant and the Law. This is why salvation is by faith/belief in He who fulfilled the Law. And that is God's command. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
Meaning: You believe that on the day Jesus died He saved NO ONE.
No, eternally, everyone was saved on that day. Temporally, the thief and those in Paradise were saved that day. Who was in paradise? All the Old Testament saints, and those of faith who died before Jesus died. Their faith being fully tendered as righteousness in Christ, the ultimate focus of their faith, even though they didn't even know Him. Jesus told the people that Abraham himself rejoiced to see His day. Which means, Abraham somehow did know.
If God is going to save Gentiles without a covenant, why have covenant with Israel at all?
That is the sort of question one asks when one has absolutely no clue what the covenant was. What the covenant accomplished. What the covenant will accomplish. There is no way you are this clueless. It's just not... humanly possible. The covenant promised Abraham and his descendants land in Canaan and the areas God mentioned, if they followed His commands. So the Gentiles have no land promise/covenant.
Yours is a man-centered theology. Mine is God-centered. You look at Israel/man and say "Israel rejected Jesus," or "Israel rejected covenant." But I look and say God IS FAITHFUL to keep His promises to Israel despite your inability to see the God of the Bible as He is revealed.
Israel rejected Jesus. The Bible, even Saul, is clear. Israel VIOLATED the covenant. That is what I have been saying. The covenant is violated, and God HIMELF said that. In fact, God TOLD Moses that they would violate the covenant before they ever entered the covenant. He told Moses that as soon as Israel entered the promised land they would run after other gods, violating the covenant. And what I find hilarious, is I have told you that God is going to save Israel, that God is going to fulfill His promises. I have been VERY clear on that. You fail to see that Paul gives preference to the Jews when speaking about the Gentiles and the Jews in salvation. The non-Hebrew Gentiles are grafted in the tree by the kindness of God. The Jews were removed by the SEVERITY of God, due to the violation of the covenant? No, the unbelief and rejection of Christ. The Gentile has no ground in being grafted into the tree save the kindness of God. Paul specifically states, standing solid before God, on a strong foundation, that those Gentiles who refuse to be humble in the sight of God in relation to the Jews, who would boast and brag at how the Jew was torn out so they could be grafted in, God is more then happy, and in fact will tear them out. And God will, without fail graft back in the Jew who comes to believe. Do you know what you don't see about Gentiles? They don't get a second chance. If God tears them out, it is over for them. And it is a big deal, because Paul speaks of it specifically in the dealings of Gentiles with Jews. (Re-read the statements.)
Adam represented Adam. He wasn't representing humanity. There was no "federal head" that's a Gentile contrivance. But hey! Yours is a man-centered theology that believes that on the day Jesus died He didn't save anyone.
Sorry, you are wrong. Adam is the "federal head" of fleshy humans. Even Paul said so. For by one man sin entered into the world. Adam and Eve are our progenitors. Their action of sin corrupted the creation, corrupted humanity, and corrupted the animals. Why? Adam had dominion. When he sinned, that dominion went to Satan, and when you read about world, where we are told not to conform to the world, it speaks of Satan, and the world system of sin. Satan owns the world in as far as God has given him leave. That comes to an end in Revelation 20. He got the position from Adam when Adam sinned. Job shows just how little power Satan has in God's domain. He is reigned in by God. He has to ask for permission.
The part that you forget so quickly is that the only reason God made a comparison between Adam and Jesus, the earthy man, and the spiritual, is because Adam WAS the federal head, and Jesus, is the federal head of spiritual man. Jesus is the first, the representative, the federal head of all beleivers. Adam was the first, the representative, the federal head of earthy man. Just what have you bee reading? You have forgotten more truth then I have ever known.
