Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ

TibiasDad said:
To contrive such a non-biblical and philosophically based question as a linchpin of your reasoning behind your theology is a sign to me of the weakness of the Calvinistic argument.

Doug
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And such posters have tunnel vision. If they're going to claim God chose some to be the elect and chose for others not to be then why aren't they asking the same question why? It doesn't matter what answer they might drum up.....if one wanted to wax philosophical they can still ask why? He therefore is in the same boat as the one he claims is seeking to stonewall a question he wants an answer for. You have though Doug provided the answer that Jesus gave about it. They reject God because they love the darkness and sin. (as we see in Jn 3:19)
 
TomL said:
When even other Calvinists dispute them, it should really give them pause.
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I agree but what I'm saying is that Greeks should not have to wait for Calvinists to tell them what their own language says. Greeks did not give over their understanding of their own language to Calvinists. As a matter of fact, Greek Calvinists are known for their dirt poor understanding of their language and that's why there's so few of them in Greece.

CC: @civic @The Rogue Tomato
 
synergy said:
I agree but what I'm saying is that Greeks should not have to wait for Calvinists to tell them what their own language says. Greeks did not give over their understanding of their own language to Calvinists. As a matter of fact, Greek Calvinists are known for their dirt poor understanding of their language and that's why there's so few of them in Greece.

CC: @civic @The Rogue Tomato
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Indeed. The greek orthodox church never affirmed the teachings of Augustine and Calvinism
 
TomL said:
Once again you ignore scripture to posit your theology

sorry faith precedes the granting of life

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
 
Behold said:
Christ is responsible for The Cross of Christ that Completed God's Salvation, that is OFFERED as "the Gift of Salvation" to all who will BELIEVE.

[Delete] Calvinism twisted that truth into...."You are too depraved to believe in Jesus... so God has to make you believe, and if you are not of the pre-destined , before you are born, then you are born to burn in the Lake of FIRE because God wont choose you to believe in Jesus".

And so, now dying as a Christ Rejector, not being made to believe by God, God then sends you to hell for Rejecting Christ, because God is apparently as [Delete] as John Calvin's Theology, that is created by [Delete] ....

uh huh.

Right.

Keep on believing that "stuff", oh ye deceived disciples of [Delete] John Calvin.
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You dont believe that Christ is responsible for making one a new creature as He saves them from their sin ?
 
TomL said:
Salvation is not of yourself

Faith is however of yourself as you must express it

Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ?
 
brightfame52 said:
Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves].
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God requires that you BELIEVE IN JESUS... as "faith is counted by God".... and once you give it to God, then God will give the BELIEVER, the new birth as "born again".

"faith comes by hearing".......not by being forced to believe.
 
brightfame52 said:
Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
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As usual you ignored the scripture references

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
 
Behold said:
God requires that you BELIEVE IN JESUS... as "faith is counted by God".... and once you give it to God, then God will give the BELIEVER, the new birth as "born again".

"faith comes by hearing".......not by being forced to believe.
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. Eph 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 
TomL said:
As usual you ignored the scripture references

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
 
brightfame52 said:
Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
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As usual you ignored the scripture references

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
 
TomL said:
As usual you ignored the scripture references

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
 
TomL said:
This is still true

Sorry God is not believing for you
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Nobody said that. The New Creature believes by Grace cts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
 

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