Only if his goal was to save all regardless of their response of faith
Seeing as that is not the case there was no failure except for the failure of those who refused to believe.
Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ
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Seeing as that is not the case there was no failure except for the failure of those who refused to believe.
brightfame52
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Christ died for all whom He saved and made a New Creature. Do you disagree ? If a person never becomes a new creature, Christ couldn't have died for them. That would mean His death failed to produce a new creature.
brightfame52
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Faith is part of the New Creation. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
civic
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Nope faith goes way back to the beginning in Genesis. Salvation has always been through faith. Read Hebrews 11 sometime and get back to us.
hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
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Faith is part of the workmanship of God created unto good works. A result of being redeemed from all iniquity and purified unto good works. Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
The good works of Titus 2 :14 are the same as in Eph 2:10
Bob Carabbio
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What you need to do is be CAREFUL of special Calvinist word definitions. "Regeneration" is one of their favorite "Buzz words" that means something very different than it does for the rest of Christendom.
The key issue is all spiritual blessings having to do with soteriology are in Christ
Calvinism divorces two election and regeneration from a union with Christ
sorry faith precedes the granting of life
John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.
John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
Scripture refutes your claim
but you do not address scripture
https://berean-apologetics.communit...ew-creation-apart-from-christ.1488/post-71881
civic
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Except when they want it to indicate being made alive
brightfame52
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
Once again you ignore scripture to posit your theology
sorry faith precedes the granting of life
John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.
John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
The Rogue Tomato
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Regeneration means being born from above. A new life. A new creation.
civic
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Which comes after one believes . Eph 1:11-14, Roman’s 10:9-14, John 1:12-13;20:31, 1 Peter 1. And many other places say the exact same order.
regeneration makes alive
DEFINITION OF REGENERATION
The word regeneration (Gk. paliggenesia) appears only twice in the New Testament. Once it is used eschatologically, “of the renewing of the world in the time of the Messiah” (Matt. 19:28),36 the second usage is “of the rebirth of a redeemed person” (Titus 3:5).37 Regeneration should be distinguished from conversion.
Conversion refers to the response of the human being to God’s offer of salvation and approach to man. Regeneration is the other side of conversion. It is God’s doing. In regeneration the soul is passive; in conversion, it is active. Regeneration may be defined as the communication of divine life to the soul … as the impartation of a new nature … or heart … and the production of a new creation.38
Succinctly stated, to regenerate means “to impart life.” Regeneration is the act whereby God imparts life to the one who believes.
Do you deny that?
Scripture is clear that life follows faith
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Behold
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Christ is responsible for The Cross of Christ that Completed God's Salvation, that is OFFERED as "the Gift of Salvation" to all who will BELIEVE.
[Delete] Calvinism twisted that truth into...."You are too depraved to believe in Jesus... so God has to make you believe, and if you are not of the pre-destined , before you are born, then you are born to burn in the Lake of FIRE because God wont choose you to believe in Jesus".
And so, now dying as a Christ Rejector, not being made to believe by God, God then sends you to hell for Rejecting Christ, because God is apparently as [Delete] as John Calvin's Theology, that is created by [Delete] ....
uh huh.
Right.
Keep on believing that "stuff", oh ye deceived disciples of [Delete] John Calvin.
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Salvation is not of yourself
Faith is however of yourself as you must express it
Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
The Rogue Tomato
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I'm not a Calvinist, but that is a gross misrepresentation of Calvinism. God doesn't make anyone believe.
The Rogue Tomato
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That verse is correct. However, it doesn't tell you why one person believes and another doesn't.
