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Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ
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brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
civic
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thats your presuppositionalism talking again since the text does not affirm your beliefs.
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
civic
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How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[g]
16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”[h] 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”[i]
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,
“I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.”[j]
20 And Isaiah boldly says,
“I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”[k]
21 But concerning Israel he says,
“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.”
Behold
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The saving is Done By God.
The Faith we give to God is ours to give. and God requires it of US>..... .and if we dont give it, that was our choice.
All that wont give God........... their Faith in Christ to God... are these.
John 3:36
Through grace yes but it is still man who must believe
Acts 16:30–31 (ESV) — 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
and Jesus himself stated
John 6:27 (ESV) — 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
brightfame52
Well-known member
All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
Where did you address what was posted
Through grace yes but it is still man who must believe
Acts 16:30–31 (ESV) — 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
and Jesus himself stated
John 6:27 (ESV) — 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
brightfame52
Well-known member
All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
No faith is
through grace we believe
who must believe and "work" in the verses below
Acts 16:30–31 (ESV) — 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
and Jesus himself stated
John 6:27 (ESV) — 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
brightfame52
Well-known member
All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
No faith is
through grace we believe
who must believe and "work" in the verses below
Acts 16:30–31 (ESV) — 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
and Jesus himself stated
John 6:27 (ESV) — 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
brightfame52
Well-known member
All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
brightfame52
Well-known member
All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
Believing is through Grace not of ourselves Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Is Grace of yourself ?
