so then faith is of yourself
Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ
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brightfame52
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No its of Grace Duh. Is Grace of yourself ?
As usual you ignored the scripture references
John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.
John 5:24–25 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, a time is coming and even now has arrived, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
John 3:36 (NASB 2020) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
John 5:40 (NASB 2020) — 40 and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
brightfame52
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? DUH
Sorry you cannot be a new creation if you are not in Christ through faith
brightfame52
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Faith is part of the New Creation[Not of ourselves]. His death produces that. You deny it ! How does one become zealous of good works without Faith ? One for whom Christ died was in Him when He died for them Eph 2:6
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Behold
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Its the "Saved" part that is the "Gift of God".
Its the "Faith" that God accepts.... ."Faith is counted by God"... to then GIVE you the GIFT of "SAVED".. @brightfame52
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
But it is not effectually caused
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none of it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying. Believing is caused by Grace.
Grace does not mean effectually or irresistibly caused
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none of it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying. Believing is caused by Grace.
You repeat yourself and ignore replies
It's not an effectual or irresistible cause
brightfame52
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Yes its caused by Grace, which is the effectual working of Gods Power Eph 3:7
Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
TibiasDad
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They would say it is the secret will of God according to his good pleasure! He doesn’t have to explain himself to us, nor disclose how his revealed will and secret will are compatible. In other words, it’s a mystery!
Doug
Rockson
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Sort of like one saying we know that Jesus said A, B and C in regard to a certain matter but we reserve the right to say he really meant D, E, and F. If such ones were following Jesus around while he taught I suspect they'd be saying daily to him, Lord were you really serious when you said this or that. We know you said Verily, verily which means all these things were verified but Lord REALLY? I think we better just stay with what he said. God Bless!
Sounds disingenuous
Behold
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God requires you to believe in Jesus.
He does not require Himself to believe.
YOU are the one, who get to choose.
If you wont choose Christ, if you wont believe, then you stay here.
John 3:36
civic
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exactly
