Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ
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brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
So does God believe for you
Does faith come by means of works
Would any bible writer really bother to inform of such?
The Rogue Tomato
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True. Jesus is the AUTHOR and perfecter of our FAITH.
The Rogue Tomato
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According to you free-willers faith is a work, because you insist "This is the work of God" means "This is the work required by God".
civic
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Projecting as that’s the Calvinist claims
Not a work in terms of something that earns merit
Romans 4:16 (ESV) — 16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Romans 4:4–5 (ESV) — 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
So Jesus is believing for you?
brightfame52
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All of it is of Grace, even the Faith/Believing is by Grace, none ot it is of ourselves. If you say Faith is of ourselves, you contradict the very thing Eph 2:8-9 is saying.
You provide no answer
So does God believe for you
Does faith come by means of works
Would any bible writer really bother to inform of such?
brightfame52
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Thats correct, we believe because of Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
That word through, dia means:
on account of, as a result of, owing to Grace.
The Rogue Tomato
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That is an incredibly stupid question meant to misrepresent the issue.
Oh so you will affirm faith of yourself?
The Rogue Tomato
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It's not worth arguing with you. If you have half a brain, you know why you're misrepresenting the truth by saying "God believes for you".
LOL
That is not argumentation that is ad hominem
Faith involves ones mind, and ones will.
One must commit oneself to the object of faith
How can that happen, not of yourself?
brightfame52
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@TomL
It does, but not of the natural man as you falsely declare, but the new regenerated man, or of the New Heart Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
It does, but not of the natural man as you falsely declare, but the new regenerated man, or of the New Heart Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
