civic
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yes thats a minority view in christendom.
Calvinism is antithetical to Christology
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GeneZ
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Humble noble person, aren't you?
Exegesis requires one interpret the foreign language in a manner that clarifies for the one not speaking that language.
Just citing the foreign language makes one feel he accidently walked into a Pentecostal church...
I'm not into Pentecostalism or Protestantism Achi.Humble noble person, aren't you?
Exegesis requires one interpret the foreign language in a manner that clarifies for the one not speaking that language.
Just citing the foreign language makes one feel he accidently walked into a Pentecostal church...
Not really but I'm sure he's an excellent Bible teacher. I have alot of respect for Evangelicals but I've since spun off into the Koine Greek OT and NT. That introduced me to Greek Theology, Christology, and Christian Anthroplogy of the first millenia.
Same here-check him out, you won't be disappointed. I keep on referring members to this valuable source-which is not a commentary. I am more interested in the Morphologies of the Koine Text and not so much the meaning of the words.
Joh 1:1 ἘνG1722|PREP|In [the] ἀρχῇG746|N-DSF|beginning ἦνG1510|G5707|V-IAI-3S|was ὁG3588|T-NSM|the ΛόγοςG3056|N-NSM|Word, καὶG2532|CONJ|and ὁG3588|T-NSM|the ΛόγοςG3056|N-NSM|Word ἦνG1510|G5707|V-IAI-3S|was πρὸςG4314|PREP|with τὸνG3588|T-ASM|- ΘεόνG2316|N-ASM|God, καὶG2532|CONJ|and ΘεὸςG2316|N-NSM|God ἦνG1510|G5707|V-IAI-3S|was ὁG3588|T-NSM|the ΛόγοςG3056|N-NSM|Word.
Joh 1:2 ΟὗτοςG3778|D-NSM|He ἦνG1510|G5707|V-IAI-3S|was ἐνG1722|PREP|in [the] ἀρχῇG746|N-DSF|beginning πρὸςG4314|PREP|with τὸνG3588|T-ASM|- ΘεόνG2316|N-ASM|God.
This is how I have studied for many years and familiar with the tenses-both Hebrew and Greek-but watch out for Westcott and Hort. There is also the LXX which I use.
Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13]
See here-the Deity of Yeshua confirmed.
Johann.
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GeneZ
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Faith does not require regeneration.
Learning spiritual truths concerning one's salvation does. (1 Cor 2:14)
When you were a child? And was told George Washington was America's first president?
You accepted that by faith. No regeneration required for faith.
It does not require regeneration to know one is a sinner.
His actions over time will reveal it to him.
He may argue that being a sinner is not such a bad thing.
But, he will know he is a sinner.
It takes regeneration to experience the Spirit induced pain and sorrow over our fallen state.
So when given the Gospel? And being told one is a unregenerate sinner?
It takes the same kind of faith that leads us to the Cross as one had to believe George Washington was America's first president.
After regeneration takes hold?
Then sorrow will take over, making one painfully conscious of ones fallen state.
grace and peace .................
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civic
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Biblically faith precedes regeneration, the new birth, born again , born of the Spirit etc…
FAITH, BELIEVE, OR TRUST
A. This is such an important term in the Bible (cf. Heb. 11:1,6). It is the subject of Jesus' early preaching (cf. Mark 1:15). There are at least two new covenant requirements: repentance and faith (Mark 1:15; Acts 3:16,19; 20:21).
B. Its etymology
1. The term "faith" in the OT meant loyalty, fidelity, or trustworthiness and was a description of God's nature, not ours.
2. It came from a Hebrew term (emun, emunah, BDB 53, i.e., Hab. 2:4), which originally meant "to be sure or stable." Saving faith is
a. a person to welcome (i.e., personal trust, faith, cf. E. 1. below)
b. believing truths about that person (i.e., Scripture, cf. E. 5. below)
c. living a life like that person (i.e., Christlikeness)
C. Its OT usage
It must be emphasized that Abraham's faith was not in a future Messiah, but in God's promise that he would have a child and descendants (cf. Genesis 12:2; 15:2-5; 17:4-8; 18:14; Rom. 4:1-5).
Abraham responded to this promise by trusting in God and His word. He still had doubts and concerns regarding this promise, which took thirteen years to be fulfilled. His imperfect faith, however, was accepted by God. God is willing to work with flawed human beings who respond to Him and His promises in faith, even if it is the size of a mustard seed (cf. Matt. 17:20) or mixed faith (cf. Mark 9:22-24).
D. Its NT usage
The term "believe" is from the Greek verb pisteuō or noun pistis, which is translated into English as "believe," "faith," or "trust." For example, the noun does not occur in the Gospel of John, but the verb is used often. In John 2:23-25 there is uncertainty as to the genuineness of the crowd's commitment to Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah. Other examples of this superficial use of the term "believe" are in John 8:31-59 and Acts 8:13, 18-24. True biblical faith is more than an initial response. It must be followed by a process of discipleship (cf. Matt. 13:20-23,31-32; 28:19-20).
You DO know what a verb is-right?
E. Its use with prepositions
1. eis means "into." This unique construction emphasizes believers putting their trust/faith in Jesus
a. into His name (John 1:12; 2:23; 3:18; 1 John 5:13)
b. into Him (John 2:11; 3:15,18; 4:39; 6:40; 7:5,31,39,48; 8:30; 9:36; 10:42; 11:45,48; 12:37,42; Matt. 18:6; Acts 10:43; Phil. 1:29; 1 Pet. 1:8)
c. into Me (John 6:35; 7:38; 11:25,26; 12:44,46; 14:1,12; 16:9; 17:20)
d. into the Son (John 3:36; 9:35; 1 John 5:10)
e. into Jesus (John 12:11; Acts 19:4; Gal. 2:16)
f. into Light (John 12:36)
g. into God (John 14:1)
2. ev means "in" as in John 3:15; Mark 1:15; Acts 5:14
3. epi means "in" or "upon," as in Matt. 27:42; Acts 9:42; 11:17; 16:31; 22:19; Rom. 4:5,24; 9:33; 10:11; 1 Tim. 1:16; 1 Pet. 2:6
4. the dative case with no preposition as in John 4:50; Gal. 3:6; Acts 18:8; 27:25; 1 John 3:23; 5:10
5. hoti, which means "believe that," gives content as to what to believe
a. Jesus is the Holy One of God (John 6:69)
b. Jesus is the I Am (John 8:24)
c. Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him (John 10:38)
d. Jesus is the Messiah (John 11:27; 20:31)
e. Jesus is the Son of God (John 11:27; 20:31)
f. Jesus was sent by the Father (John 11:42; 17:8,21)
g. Jesus is one with the Father (John 14:10-11)
h. Jesus came from the Father (John 16:27,30)
i. Jesus identified Himself in the covenant name of the Father, "I Am" (John 8:24; 13:19)
j. We will live with Him (Rom. 6:8)
k. Jesus died and rose again (1 Thess. 4:14)
I would say faith is definitely required.
Johann.
GeneZ
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That is what I was saying.
The confusion comes in when some think faith is something supernatural that only the regenerate mind can know.
They do not understand how faith applies to unbelievers as well.
What requires regeneration? Is the knowing of Bible doctrine after one is saved.
"The person without the spirit (soulish man) does not accept the things that come from
the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because
they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Cor 2:14
All unbelievers can easily have the faith to know they are a sinner. For it smacks them in the face every time they break any regulation designed
to maintain law and order between humans interacting with one another.
Its the Law of Moses that defines sin.
It does not save one from sin.
It simply will make a person aware of what constitutes sin, and that they too are a sinner.
Grace and peace ........................
GeneZ
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Will my insurance cover that prescription?
Stop trying to impress others here with book reports, please.
FAITH, BELIEVE, OR TRUST
A. This is such an important term in the Bible (cf. Heb. 11:1,6). It is the subject of Jesus' early preaching (cf. Mark 1:15). There are at least two new covenant requirements: repentance and faith (Mark 1:15; Acts 3:16,19; 20:21).
B. Its etymology
1. The term "faith" in the OT meant loyalty, fidelity, or trustworthiness and was a description of God's nature, not ours.
2. It came from a Hebrew term (emun, emunah, BDB 53, i.e., Hab. 2:4), which originally meant "to be sure or stable." Saving faith is
a. a person to welcome (i.e., personal trust, faith, cf. E. 1. below)
b. believing truths about that person (i.e., Scripture, cf. E. 5. below)
c. living a life like that person (i.e., Christlikeness)
C. Its OT usage
It must be emphasized that Abraham's faith was not in a future Messiah, but in God's promise that he would have a child and descendants (cf. Genesis 12:2; 15:2-5; 17:4-8; 18:14; Rom. 4:1-5).
Abraham responded to this promise by trusting in God and His word. He still had doubts and concerns regarding this promise, which took thirteen years to be fulfilled. His imperfect faith, however, was accepted by God. God is willing to work with flawed human beings who respond to Him and His promises in faith, even if it is the size of a mustard seed (cf. Matt. 17:20) or mixed faith (cf. Mark 9:22-24).
D. Its NT usage
The term "believe" is from the Greek verb pisteuō or noun pistis, which is translated into English as "believe," "faith," or "trust." For example, the noun does not occur in the Gospel of John, but the verb is used often. In John 2:23-25 there is uncertainty as to the genuineness of the crowd's commitment to Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah. Other examples of this superficial use of the term "believe" are in John 8:31-59 and Acts 8:13, 18-24. True biblical faith is more than an initial response. It must be followed by a process of discipleship (cf. Matt. 13:20-23,31-32; 28:19-20).
E. Its use with prepositions
1. eis means "into." This unique construction emphasizes believers putting their trust/faith in Jesus
a. into His name (John 1:12; 2:23; 3:18; 1 John 5:13)
b. into Him (John 2:11; 3:15,18; 4:39; 6:40; 7:5,31,39,48; 8:30; 9:36; 10:42; 11:45,48; 12:37,42; Matt. 18:6; Acts 10:43; Phil. 1:29; 1 Pet. 1:8)
c. into Me (John 6:35; 7:38; 11:25,26; 12:44,46; 14:1,12; 16:9; 17:20)
d. into the Son (John 3:36; 9:35; 1 John 5:10)
e. into Jesus (John 12:11; Acts 19:4; Gal. 2:16)
f. into Light (John 12:36)
g. into God (John 14:1)
2. ev means "in" as in John 3:15; Mark 1:15; Acts 5:14
3. epi means "in" or "upon," as in Matt. 27:42; Acts 9:42; 11:17; 16:31; 22:19; Rom. 4:5,24; 9:33; 10:11; 1 Tim. 1:16; 1 Pet. 2:6
4. the dative case with no preposition as in John 4:50; Gal. 3:6; Acts 18:8; 27:25; 1 John 3:23; 5:10
5. hoti, which means "believe that," gives content as to what to believe
a. Jesus is the Holy One of God (John 6:69)
b. Jesus is the I Am (John 8:24)
c. Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him (John 10:38)
d. Jesus is the Messiah (John 11:27; 20:31)
e. Jesus is the Son of God (John 11:27; 20:31)
f. Jesus was sent by the Father (John 11:42; 17:8,21)
g. Jesus is one with the Father (John 14:10-11)
h. Jesus came from the Father (John 16:27,30)
i. Jesus identified Himself in the covenant name of the Father, "I Am" (John 8:24; 13:19)
j. We will live with Him (Rom. 6:8)
k. Jesus died and rose again (1 Thess. 4:14)
I would say faith is definitely required.
Johann.
Well-if you don't benefit-I'm sure others will-this is not my pride or boasting-all boasting excluded.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
I am still learning and have a pathos and love for my Lord and His word-you seem to know it all already or are not willing to rejoice with me.
Johann.
GeneZ
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This teacher may be a great help for you. He will challenge you and make you want to study with life.
https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3
No-I think I am challenging you.
Thanks for the link-but no need.
Not being facetious with you.
GeneZ
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You are not a challenge...
No problem brother-some are here to learn-others to philosophize and pontificate.
Johann.
GeneZ
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Diserner
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Impossible Jesus is my teacher
2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly;
3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;
4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away. (1 Pet. 5:2-4 NKJ)
civic
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Matthew 23:8,10
But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
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