Johann
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I said-don't sit as an umpire or judge over me-you may think you know it all-you don't.If 2 Cor 5:17 and Eph 2:13 is not edifying for you then that's most unfortunate.
Don't flatter yourself.
Johann.
I said-don't sit as an umpire or judge over me-you may think you know it all-you don't.If 2 Cor 5:17 and Eph 2:13 is not edifying for you then that's most unfortunate.
Don't appreciate your line of reasoning-Another imagined concept is that they're ok with the state of being regenerated (alive) and not yet justified (dead in sins). In other words, they're ok with being the living dead in that phase of their soteriology.
No-you are the accuser-ad hominem style.So you turn your frustration to me, ad hominem style. I'm just the messenger. That's all I am.
-and when is that?Until we come to having enough understood Bible doctrine
I'm just the messenger so there's no flattering for me.I said-don't sit as an umpire or judge over me-you may think you know it all-you don't.
Don't flatter yourself.
Johann.
Just a malach badmouthing Calvin-If you could do what he did and under the adverse circumstances-sickness and disease rampant-poverty--I might have showed respect-and the "two" verses has been adequately dealt with, no need for repetitive repetition.I'm just the messenger so there's no flattering for me.
I never said I know it all so you can stop with the innuendoes
You are totally free to continue to disregard 2 Cor 5:17 and Eph 2:13.
BingoChosen doesn't necessitate the reception of the inheritance.
The real debate soteriologically, is what we are chosen on the basis of?
Does foreknowledge include a part of God's choice?
And this you will find is why many Calvinists attempt to redefine foreknowledge as God having a relationship with someone that doesn't exist.
Just a malach badmouthing Calvin-If you could do what he did and under the adverse circumstances-sickness and disease rampant-poverty--I might have showed respect-and the "two" verses has been adequately dealt with, no need for repetitive repetition.
1Co 1:27 But God chose the foolish things of the world in order to put to shame the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world in order to put to shame the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And lowborns, without family or descent of the world, and things which are counted as nothing, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to nullify things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should boast in His presence.
1Co 1:30 But from Him are ye in Christ Jesus, Who became unto us wisdom from God, both righteousness, and holiness, even redemption:
1Co 1:31 In Order That, according as it has been written, He that boasteth, let him boast in the Lord.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall have come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
Mat 25:32 And before Him shall be gathered all the nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them [sheep] on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world :
Mat 25:35 For I was hungry, and ye gave Me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took Me in:
Mat 25:36 Scantily clothed, and ye clothed Me: I was sick, and ye visited Me: I was in prison, and ye came unto Me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer Him, saying, Lord, when saw we Thee hungry, and fed Thee? or thirsty, and gave Thee drink ?
Mat 25:38 When saw we Thee a stranger, and took Thee in ? or scantily clothed, and clothed Thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we Thee sick, or in prison, and came unto Thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of even the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall He say unto them [goats] also on the left hand, Depart away from Me, ye that are abiding under a curse into age-abiding fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was hungry, and ye gave Me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave Me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took Me not in: scantily clothed, and ye clothed Me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited Me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer Him, saying, Lord, when saw we Thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or scantily clothed, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto Thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall He answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the even the least of these, ye did it not to Me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Jas 2:1 My brethren, hold not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality.
Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your synagogue a man goldringed, in bright and shining apparel, and there come in a poor man also in dirty, shabby raiment;
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the bright and shining clothing, and say to him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Jas 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil reasonings ?
Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, did not God choose the poor of the world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which He... promised to them that love Him?
Jas 2:6 But ye ... shamed the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and themselves drag you to the judgment seats?
Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme the honourable name which is called upon you ?
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the Scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, being convicted of the law as violators.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he has been guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For He That said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit not adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a violator of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that are about to be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:13 For there shall be judgment to him without mercy, that hath shewed not mercy; and mercy boasteth over judgment.
Faith Without Works Is Dead
Jas 2:14 What is the profit, my brethren, if one say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and lacking of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say to them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what is the profit ?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith apart from thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith apart from works is idle and barren ?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified [set forth as righteous] by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith made complete ?
Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it wasthe Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise ... was not Rahab also the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as ... body without ... spirit [mans spirit] is dead, so faith also apart from works is dead.
You think I am a Calvinist?All excellent Biblical verses that do not promote the following Calvinist myths:
- That God has a relationship with someone that doesn't exist,
- That they believe in an invisible church which by definition contains invisible members, and
- That the state of being regenerated (alive) and not yet justified (dead in sins) is viable. In other words, they're ok with being the living dead in that phase of their soteriology.
-and when is that?
We have two members who know the Bible from Genesis to Revolutions-their doctrines impeccable-Scholars, rightly cutting straight the D'var of YHVH-no need to consult secondary sources.
J.
I fully concur with your statement and well aware of gnosis and epignosis.I am amazed how some people will know so many facts... but fail to get living knowledge that the Spirit can be one with them with.
Some so inclined can know many things about the Bible... and, yet ... not know much of God's Mind.
Academic Bible knowledge in the Greek is called 'gnosis.'
Bible knowledge that the Spirit ingrafts and makes alive with the believer in the Greek is called 'epignosis.'
Yet?
We only see it being translated "knowledge" in mainstream translations.... leaving many readers in the dark
to think memorizing Scripture will save them.
So... no links please....I fully concur with your statement and well aware of gnosis and epignosis.
J.
Not interested in links? I'm amazed.So... no links please....
In your own words. What is so important about D'var of YHVH?
How does apply to the walk of a Christian?
No links. Tell us what you have learned, please.
What are you? I'm obviously a synergist as you can tell by my name. What are you? Last time I checked I still cannot read people's minds so don't expect me to tell you what you are.You think I am a Calvinist?
Do you actually read my posts?
J.
On second thought-I disagree-memorizing Scripture is a must.I fully concur with your statement and well aware of gnosis and epignosis.
J.
Baptist-not leaning to Calvin or Arminian-somewhere in the "middle"What are you then? I'm obviously a synergist as you can tell by my name. What are you? Last time I checked I still cannot read people's minds.
I'm more familiar with Evangelicals who believe faith preceedes regeneration and not the other way around as Calvinists do.Baptist-not leaning to Calvin or Arminian-somewhere in the "middle"
Johann.
I'm with you-faith definitely precedes regeneration and don't hold to baptismal regeneration either. Maybe that's what I am, by the will of God, an Evangelical.I'm more familiar with Evangelicals who believe faith preceedes regeneration and not the other way around as Calvinists do.
Not interested in links? I'm amazed.
Demons believe and they tremble Yes?
So you're impressed with yourselves that with your emunah you can recite the kri'at Shema, nu? O you do so well...why, even the shedim have your da'as and emunah! But they shudder! [DEVARIM 6:4]
What is the D'varim of YHVH-is it not for us to learn, study, believe what stands written-Perfect Tense-and put into practice the Imperatives of the nomos/entole/boule/thelema of our Lord Yeshua HaMashiach dia the Ruach?
So you're impressed with yourselves that with your emunah you can recite the kri'at Shema, nu? O you do so well...why, even the shedim have your da'as and emunah! But they shudder! [DEVARIM 6:4]
What is the D'varim of YHVH-is it not for us to learn, study, believe what stands written-Perfect Tense-and put into practice the Imperatives of the nomos/entole/boule/thelema of our Lord Yeshua HaMashiach dia the Ruach?
And here I am doing exegesis from my pastor all along-and you claiming I'm hiding behind a smoke screen?My pastor exegeted all the time. You are just presenting a smoke screen.
Good exegesis is supposed to clarify. Not erect a veil to hide ones own spiritual bankruptcy behind.
Speaking in tongues without an interpretation was frowned upon by Paul... Forbidden in church.
And, for good reason.
Ani lo y'dea I'vrit ................. אֲנִי לֹא יוֹדֵעַ
grace and peace .................