Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will

[brightfame52]

It's your free will that makes you are a sinner.

You don't have too.

Mans will is never free

 

[brightfame52]

nope they all say the same thing which refutes tulip. they were all explained along with all the scriptures proving their validity.

You go cherry pick 50 verses by sound bite, then say here you go, figure these out while I go on vacation

 

[brightfame52]

God does not think anyone is special.. That's why he determined all under sin.

God did not put you on a pedistool

He will offer you his grace gift. But its up to you to recieve it.

Yes God does think His elect people are special and above all other people. Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 ;The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

 

[ProDeo]

Mans will is never free

Then what has made you a sinner ?

 

[brightfame52]

Then what has made you a sinner ?

Im not here to discuss me

 

[TomL]

Doublethink at its best...

Yep

 

[TomL]

2 Thess 2:10-12

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Mans will isn't free from its love of darkness and hatred of the Truth, so the non elect, unregenerate will not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved, for its written Jn 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 ;For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

See the Gospel is Light 2 Cor 4 4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

This light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ, man naturally loves darkness over and above it, it even hates the Light, except a sovereign work of God intervenes, which Jesus spoke of earlier , the New Birth Vs 3-8,

Mans will isnt free from its love of unrighteousness

Um you missed this

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Um you missed this

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Man Loves darkness over the the light of the Truth ,so they dont receive the Truth nor have no love for it. I just touched on that

 

[TedT]

It's your free will that makes you are a sinner.

I agree without reservation but I must ask...
then how do infants in the womb die, ie, receive the wages for sin, (death is not just a natural consequence of life) IF they are just newly created as tabula rasa with no possibility of sinning by their free will??

Death proves sinfulness.
Infants die.
Therefore infants in the womb are sinful.
When do you think they made a free will choice to be sinful in GOD's sight to receive the wages for sin if they did not live and make a decision before their conception?

 

[TedT]

God does not think anyone is special.. That's why he determined all under sin.

Excuse me, there are angels created in the image of GOD who are both elect and holy:
1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the ELECT angels.

Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the HOLY angels.

Holy and elect - pretty special when everyone else CHOSE BY THEIR FREE WILL, NOT BY HIS WILL, to be sinful in HIS sight.

HE determined no one to be a sinner...
Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright (righteous); but they have sought out many inventions (thoughts, plans, devices, a contrivance actual or mental) ie, sins.

 

[TedT]

He will offer you his grace gift. But its up to you to recieve it.

HE does not seem to offer it to everyone:

Paul said to the Corinthians, "But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them" 2 Corinthians 4:3,4. but HE allows the god of this world to hide it from some people, here called the lost, who are probably those condemned already, Jn 3:18.

 

[ProDeo]

Im not here to discuss me

1 Petr 3:15 - but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Again - Then what has made you a sinner ?

 

[ProDeo]

I agree without reservation but I must ask...
then how do infants in the womb die, ie, receive the wages for sin, (death is not just a natural consequence of life) IF they are just newly created as tabula rasa with no possibility of sinning by their free will??

Death proves sinfulness.
Infants die.
Therefore infants in the womb are sinful.
When do you think they made a free will choice to be sinful in GOD's sight to receive the wages for sin if they did not live and make a decision before their conception?

These and other questions like -- do all people who lived before Christ go to hell? -- I simply trust the goodness of the Lord, His mercy, His justice.

Hebr 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Does His mercy stop for those people?

Speaking for myself, I think not.