Maybe, possibly be judged. Who knows what the open future will bring.
Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will
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If God promises judgment on the last day for unbelievers then that is settled
There are unforeseen events in the future God cannot possibly know. He could change His mind. No one knows for certain.
God says that is not so. And that of course is what is wrong with the open theology.
There is no word "might" in John 12:47 by the way. You know, the text originally in question until you ran away.
civic
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Yes the context reveals the futility of your argument and Jesus explains in from the context you left out.
John 12
Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”[h]
39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40 “He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”[i]
41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ gloryand spoke about him.
42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not openly acknowledge their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved human praisemore than praise from God.
44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn themat the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
Next fallacious question
hope this helps !!!
atpollard
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Does the "Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will" exists except as a foil to the beliefs of Calvinism?
Why create a topic to explain the "Arminian perspective" but then merely define it in relationship to another perspective. ("Arminianism" is "not Calvinism"). What about starting from the position of explaining what the Arminian Perspective is to someone that is indifferent to Church History and arguments of the 1600's (or 400's)?
Start with the Text from the First Century and explain "what's what". Answer the unanswered questions about WHO and HOW God Saves to someone living in the 21st Century reading a modern translation of a 2000 year old manuscript and asking LOTS of basic questions that every new believer has.
[I know more about what you DO NOT believe than what you DO believe.]
Shalom.
civic
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Good points well taken. I’ll work on a thread that does just that my friend.
Here is the link where the OP came from
God’s Sovereignty and Man’s Free Will
Sometimes Calvinists will say that Arminians have a small God. I have been told by Calvinists that the Calvinist God is “bigger” and therefore superior to my “little” Armini…
arminianperspectives.wordpress.com
He comes I will hide behind a imaginary fallacy. Which you never explain exactly what it is.
Let's try again.
"I did not come to judge the world BUT TO SAVE THE WORLD".
Does our Lord accomplish His stated purpose yes or no?
civic
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I quoted where and why Jesus judges those who do not believe in Him. His own words which explain the verse you ripped from the context that you do not understand.
You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink. I gave you Jesus teaching from the context of John 12 but you will not receive His teaching.
hope this helps !!!
So does Christ save the world yes or no? His stated purpose.I quoted where and why Jesus judges those who do not believe in Him. His own words which explain the verse you ripped from the context that you do not understand.
You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink. I gave you Jesus teaching from the context of John 12 but you will not receive His teaching.
hope this helps !!!
civic
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yes all those who believe.
That's not your definition of world is it? World in John 12:47 refers to believers and those who will believe?yes all those who believe.
civic
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No one said they were.
I guess this debate is over. You already conceded world refers to those who believe.
Good talk
civic
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brightfame52
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TibiasDad
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The human will is controlled either by the Holy Spirit or the sinful nature, but it makes its own decisions accordingly.
Rom 8:12Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Doug
