It can be both. Sanctification
Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will
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TibiasDad
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The believer is set free from the sinful nature, and is free to choose by whom he will be controlled. (Rom 7 is not speaking of a believer’s experience.) You cannot be freed from sin and a slave to sin at the same time.
Doug
Yet the believer still sins.
brightfame52
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Who talking to you ?
civic
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That’s what your doctrine teaches, not what the Bible teaches. You seem unable unwilling to distinguish the differences between Calvinism and the Bible.
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TibiasDad
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But they don’t have to, they are able to not sin. They can live by the Spirit and fulfill all the righteous requirements of the law.
Doug
civic
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Ditto his argument is not biblical. Believers in the NT are never called sinners that’s a term for unbelievers who are called saints , holy ones etc…
Of course they don't have to. Neither does the unbeliever.
TibiasDad
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The unbeliever is sold as a slave to sin. They are in bondage to sins power. They are unable to do the good they want to do!
Doug
Are you bearing false witness once again. The only runner here is you
(ACV) And if any man hears my sayings, and will not believe, I do not judge him, for I came not so that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(RHB16TL) And if anyone hear My sayings, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not that I might judge the World, but I might save the World.
(MLV2021) And if anyone hears and does not believe my declarations, I do not judge him; for* I came, not in-order-that I may judge the world, but in-order-that I may save the world.
(ANT) and if Someone [of] me may hear the words and not [He] may keep I not will judge him not for come that may judge the world but that may save the world
(Complete Apostles' Bible) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(Darby) and if any one hear my words and do not keep them , I judge him not, for I am not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(Diaglott-NT) And if any one of me may hear the words, and not may believe, I not judge him; (not for I came, that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world);
(EMTV) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(LITV) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(KJ3) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(BV) And if anyone listens to My statements and doesn't observe them, I don't judge Him. You see, I didn't come so that I may judge the world, but so that I might rescue the world.
(HRB) And if anyone hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(Julia) And if any hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(Rotherham) And, if anyone shall hearken unto my sayings, and not guard them, I, am not judging him; for I came not that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
(YLT) and if any one may hear my sayings, and not believe, I—I do not judge him, for I came not that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
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John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:17 (ESV) — 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 3:17 (LSB) — 17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
John 3:17 (UASV) — 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 3:17 (NASB 95) — 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Maybe you should just give it up
So He might judge the world, might not. Might save the world, might not. LOL
There is no word might in the ESV NIV, NASB, KJV.
WHOOPSIE
Nothing is good without faith. Without faith it is impossible to please Him. In the flesh nothing is pleasing to God
civic
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Yep
Stop your dodging and embarrassing yourself
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:17 (ESV) — 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 3:17 (LSB) — 17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
John 3:17 (UASV) — 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 3:17 (NASB 95) — 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
civic
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Good response
Do you read before you post
John 3:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:17 (ESV) — 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 3:17 (LSB) — 17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
John 3:17 (UASV) — 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 3:17 (NASB 95) — 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
civic
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They keep coming one after anotherlove it lol
Another oops
