civic
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Where did He say He was going to save everyone in the world ?
Any more fallacious statements ?
Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will
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Any more fallacious statements ?
John 12:47. He did not come to judge but to save the world. Does He save the world? All who have ever lived?
brightfame52
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Thats backwards, they believe in God because they have eternal life. Believing in God is a benefit of the Death and Resurrection of Christ 1 Pet 1:19-21
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Its a Redemptive Blessing. Thats why Jesus gives Eternal life Jn 17:2-3
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Not at all; those not saved is not on Him.
Not only does scripture show your error but so do lexicons
Kosmos
b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.
William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
That's one definition, sure. Just pick out the one you like and impose it on the rest of us. LOL
Why not list the other 7 or more?
civic
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Sure He did but doesn’t force anyone to be saved. It’s synergistic not monergestic
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So He fails to save the world then. His stated mission. Gotcha
brightfame52
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Oh yes it is, God sent Him to save that which as Lost Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
He was sent into the world to save sinners, its His responsibility 1 Tim 1:15
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
civic
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nope He succeeds for all who believe and receive Him as the bible states.
No mention of that in John 12:47. It says He did not come to judge the world but to save the world. Is the world, as you understand the word, saved? Or does He fail to save the world?
civic
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Yet the ones saved out of the works are not judged and those who reject Him are judged. It’s time you quit ripping passages from their context to support Calvin. He was wrong just like you are about the atonement.
Nope. The question, as the verse states, is did Christ save the world as He stated He would. Was that a yes or a no?
civic
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Its a fallacious one known as the loaded question fallacy.
He is the Savior of all who believe in Him. Christ forces no one to be saved or forces anyone to love Him. He is the Savior of all who believe in Him. Those who reject Him He is not their Savior. No faith no salvation. Its as simple as that. He made provision for all the world, everyones sins who would believe in Him. Those who reject Him will not have their sins covered or forgiven. Thats why provisionism and synergism is biblical and monergism is not. Its why reformed election doesn't work with all the scriptures that contradict the doctrine. With Synergism and Provisionism the scriptures are in complete harmony and Gods good character and nature are affirmed. In Calvinism Gods character is assaulted.
hope this helps !!!
civic
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He atoned for the sins of the world. The only way anyone is forgiven is to believe and receive Him as the Bible teaches. John 3 teaches everyone who looked at the serpent was healed so healing was available to everyone but only those who looked upon it were saved/ healed. That’s how it works with forgiveness and salvation.
More dodging. Did Christ accomplish His stated purpose?
civic
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His atonement made provision for everyone. So He accomplished what He set out to do with His death, burial and resurrection. We call it the gospel which must be believed and received to have any affect for anyone. Once again provision was made for everyone.
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His sacrifice on the cross was sufficient to save the whole world. Most of the world rejected being saved.
Personally I think it is very strange that you think either (1) He didn't want to save the whole world or (2) He didn't have the sufficient power to save the whole world.
