All humans since Adam have a fallen nature.
Hello Rogue Tomato,
Yes, to me everyone is naturally born into a world that is fallen, yet reconciled to God, because of God in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
2 Corinthians 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
This wonderful news, because of the Lord Jesus Christ and his victory over all things, and also having died on behalf of having love for His Father and doing his will, and also loving his neighbor as himself having offered himself up as a sacrifice which because of his death, which fulfilled all the law which allowed for the material way of doing religion is shaken to the ground. (Hebrews 12). Where material was a major theme along with the history, the now new Spiritual means, are accessible to anyone who is looking towards the Living God, whom created all things. Whether a person does or not is between them and God because it's impossible to make a person have faith if they are not willing to decide to start trusting the more they hear about God, or close it out.
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
Here is the Revised Standard Version,
14 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds,
there is none that does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men,
to see if there are any that act wisely,
that seek after God.
3 They have all gone astray, they are all alike corrupt;
there is none that does good,
no, not one.
4 Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers
who eat up my people as they eat bread,
and do not call upon the Lord?
5 There they shall be in great terror,
for God is with the generation of the righteous.
6 You would confound the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is his refuge.
7 O that deliverance for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores the fortunes of his people,
Jacob shall rejoice, Israel shall be glad.
1. Given the above, God is under NO obligation to even OFFER salvation to anyone, let alone save us. If God lets us all go to hell for eternal punishment and suffer his wrath, that is justice. It's not hatred. It's justice.
I differ with some of your comment here. God was under no obligation to even create us when you think about it, however the old testament spoke of the Lord Yeshua, and when Yahava, the God of Israel, God Almighty, sent His Son, it was for the salvation for the sins of his people.
Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
When it comes to Hell, that is something that also has been done away with,
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
When it comes to the Wrath of God, my association with God's wrath, which then is never mentioned again therefore, in my opinion considering the victory of Yeshua, the Son of God, the Son of Man, coming to get his bride in that day in age and establishing the heavenly kingdom which is unshakable. The Wrath of God, was poured out on the nation of Israel, for having killed His own son who was sent to save them, but as usual they decided to go chase after idols, and other gods. Today, I do not believe that God is wrathful, because of the cup being emptied out in that day in age, which allows for the reconciliation to any and all who here the spirit, and the bride which say "Come, let those who thirst come drink freely" Now today, and God is not angry any longer, because the scripture proclaims his anger shall not last forever.
Psalm 103:“The LORD is merciful and gracious, Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy. He will not always strive with us, nor will He keep His anger forever”
God did get Justice for wiping out Jerusalem in 70AD by the use of the Romans in my opinion. And God will still righteously judge each one of us when we leave this life here.
2. Now, what if God shows mercy? Mercy is by definition compassion or forgiveness shown to someone for whom punishment or harm would normally be the just action.
15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I have mercy, and I will show compassion to whomever I show compassion.” 16 So then,
it does not
depend on the
person who wants
it nor the one who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very reason I raised you up, in order to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed [
c]throughout the earth.” 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
I believe a just judgement and a fair reward is what God would give all individuals, with many callings while one is living. While I do believe there is a condemned spiritual body, and a spiritual body that is better for believers to build up here by and through praying, studying, reading, having relationship if they choose to.
I also do believe in fair and just judgement, when it comes to the misfortune of others, because all individuals out there have some type of misfortune and that is why it is good to love all people that come and go through your life, and pray for all of them, and that justice is served for those who are seeking for justice to be served rightly.
3. If God shows mercy to some but not all, is God unjust? No, both the ones to whom he shows mercy and the ones to whom he shows no mercy are deserving of His wrath.
As explained earlier, I do not believe that God's wrath or his anger is still abiding on the world today because of the Begotten Son of God, Yeshua having victory over all things, and establishing the heavenly kingdom, seen in Revelation 21,22. I believe that God is going to be fair with all people. he is constantly calling out to people everything by and through the creation which is seen, sun, moon, birds, waters, stars, clouds, and by and through our consciousness, and the Bible is also something that is used to learn more things about God and the Son, and how all people are reconciled, who live now today by their sins being paid for always, just do they choose to have God in their life or not. That to me seems how God moves, he waits for us, and then he will help in what is troubling us to get us through the day, its a twoway street, of working with one another cause your Father who adopted you will take care of you, and does hear your prayers though some things dont change or arent tooken away, just remember the Grace of God is sufficient.
4. But that's unfair, you may argue. If God shows mercy to some, He must show it to all, right? Wrong. See point 1, above. Nobody deserves mercy. To call God unfair, unjust, or unloving is to deny the fact that we are all fallen and come under the above scripture reference that there is no one righteous, not even one.
I do not find God's justice being unfair. God is said to give mercy as he deems fit, I do not believe God eternally punishes people forever and ever. I believe that each faithless people is resurrected however, they are given a spiritual body which may not be able to dwell in the kingdom, and that is also allow them to go live out in the darkness, outside the kingdom.
While default, I believe that in my flesh dwells no good, there is only one who is Good, and that is God, and because of Jesus, one is able to do good works which God will help you in doing when you put him first in your life. There is no one righteous by the flesh, and when a person is faithless, there may be no righteousness in sight.
