An Article on free will

[TomL]

Force isnt in the equation, man unjustly puts it there, Gods making or causing one to do something, they will do it willingly. Jesus going to the cross to die for the sins of the elect was predetermined by God yet He did it willingly Lk 22:22

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In other words, he forcefully made them willing

 

[TomL]

You wrote “Receive Christ is something they did not something that happened to them” is a lie because you illegally reverse the semantics of "receive" as shown in the following; in other words, your folly that man causes himself to receive (lambano) Christ in John 1:12-13 is truly evident by the following.

Your linguistics are so faulty that you said paralambano is part of John 1:12, and when it was shown to you that paralambano is actually in John 1:11, not John 1:12, then afterward you have shown no sign of repentance nor apology for your deception.

This is simply repeat nonsense

Receive is active tense as was posted previousdly

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αὐτός		ὁ ὄνομα
RP3GSM		DASN NASN
846		3588 3686
92.11		92.24 9.19

New American Standard Bible (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 2020), Jn 1:12.

Receive lambano is an aorist active indicative 3rd person verb

Lambano

e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b;

You will note BAGD gives a meaning of to receive someone in the sense of recognizing their authority specifically citing John 1:12

The only lie here is the one you keep propagating ignoring the active voice and the definition of BAGD

Self-willed you (2 Peter 2:9-10), not free-willed you, truly self-willed you are unrepentant after you were shown your linguistic deception that the Greek word παρέλαβον (Strong’s 3880 – paralambanó – to receive from) occurs as the source word for “received” in John 1:12.

Since you brought up “receive” of John 1:11, the Apostle used the word “receive” to illustrate man’s inability to choose to receive [Christ] into one’s house, so to speak; therefore, the very specific Greek word that you brought up proves the error of your free-willian way.

Yet another lie you keep repeating

There is nothing in the verse which states they were unable to receive Christ

John’s words are “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:12-13), and the word “received” is accurately translated from ἔλαβον (Strong’s 2983 – lambanó – to take, receive), and, indeed, “received” is Aorist and active grammatically.

The Apostle indicates we “born of God” are the ones that God causes to “believe in His name” because we are the “children of God” (a.k.a. the “born of God”) of whom are the ones that God causes us to be the “many as received Him” (John 1:12-13).

Sorry no Because they actively recognized Christ's authority they were given the right to be made children of God that is born again

that is through faith one is made to be a child of God

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

being made a child of God is by means of regeneration



(5) The “children of God.”—Those who are “begotten of God” are ipso facto “children of God” (tékna theoú, Jn 1:12; 11:52; 1 Jn 3:1, 2, 10; 5:2).1

1 R. Law, “Johannine, Theology, The,” ed. James Orr et al., The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (Chicago: The Howard-Severance Company, 1915), 1703.



CHILDREN OF GOD. Persons in this category are only those who of the fallen race are regenerated as a result of faith in Christ1

1 Merrill F. Unger, “Children of God,” ed. R.K. Harrison, The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary (Chicago: Moody Press, 1988).

Children of God (tekna theou). In the full spiritual sense, not as mere offspring of God true of all men (Acts 17:28). Paul's phrase huioi theou (Galatians 3:26) for believers, used also by Jesus of the pure in heart (Matthew 5:9), does not occur in John's Gospel (but in Rev. 21:7). It is possible that John prefers ta tekna tou theou for the spiritual children of God whether Jew or Gentile (John 11:52) because of the community of nature (teknon from root tek-, to beget). But one cannot follow Westcott in insisting on "adoption" as Paul's reason for the use of huioi since Jesus uses huioi theou in Matthew 5:9. Clearly the idea of regeneration is involved here as in John 3:3.
Word Pictures in the New Testament.

Sons (τέκνα)



Rev., more correctly, children. Son is υἱός. Τέκνον, child (τίκτω, to bring forth), denotes a relation based on community of nature



Word Studies in the New Testament.



τέκνα θ. γενέσθαι] The spiritual life owes its beginning to a birth from above, ch. 3:3–7. And this birth is owing to the Holy Spirit of God; so that this is equivalent to saying, ‘As many as received Him, to them gave He His Holy Spirit.’ And we find that it was so: see Acts 10:44.



Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 684.

repeating your falsehoods does not make them true

The Apostle John specifically disallowed your free-will to “receive” Christ in the passage with John’s words of “nor of the will of man” (John 1:12-13).

Sorry that is inh reference to being born again. Man by his will cannot make him self born againl

“RECEIVE” DEFINITION BY EXAMPLE:

The man received a punch to his face dislocating his septum – not by choice – but in the fury of his assailant’s surprise attack.

The pedestrian received a series of traumatic injuries – not by choice – but as a result of the car jumping the curb.

A lover receives a love letter – not by choice – but in gladness.

Receive means a thing that unavoidably came in from a source to a recipient – receive is not a choice like accept – receive just happens.

“RECEIVE” DEFINITION BY DICTIONARY:

1. TRANSITIVE VERB When you receive something, you get it after someone gives it to you or sends it to you. (Collins COBUILD English Usage (c) HarperCollins Publishers 1992, 2004, 2011, 2012)

There is a keyword in the definition, which is “after”.

The Greek word ἔλαβον (Strong’s 2983 – lambano/elabon – to take, receive) lexicon definition is “receive”, and the specific instance of ἔλαβον used by the Apostle John in John 1:12 is an active indicative aorist verb in the third person; therefore, the word ἔλαβον conveys the active concept of “joyfully” by the recipient of “receive” with the “receive” being initiated and caused by the the source, not the recipient, but truly God is the cause (John 1:12-13), so John conveys “joyfully receive” is the active meaning for ἔλαβον.

“RECEIVE” USAGE IN SCRIPTURE:

The Apostle John wrote “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:12-13).

The Apostle John wrote receiving Christ is a result of being born of God in John 1:12-13.

The Apostle John wrote receiving Christ is not an act of the will of man in John 1:12-13.

The ones who received Christ are the ones “who were born” “of God”.

Let’s follow the blessed chain linking these people of whom John wrote which is the “born of God” (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) links with “believe in His name” (John 1:12, John 6:29) links with “many as received Him” (John 1:12, John 9).

Each of these are exactly the same people:

• ”many as received Him”
• ”children of God”
• ”believe in His name”
• ”born of God”

See that John explicitly excludes “the will of man” as the cause for all of these.

John 1:12-13 shows that you cannot cause yourself to receive Jesus.

John 1:12-13 shows that God causes people to receive Jesus.

John 1:12-13 shows that you cannot cause yourself to believe in Jesus.

John 1:12-13 shows that God causes people to believe in Jesus.

Again, here is the passage:

“But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:12-13).

“Peter [said] to them, ‘Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.'” (Acts 2:38-39, this was Peter’s response after the people who were pierced to the heart by Peter’s proclamation of the Word of God inquired “Brethren, what shall we do” in Acts 2:14-37)

Peter issued the command “think differently from now on” (repent) and the command “be immersed in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins” and here is where “receive” comes in, “you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” which is an act of God.

The word “receive” means “unavoidably enters”; on the other hand, the word “accept” means “allowed to enter”.

The work of “accept” is specifically disallowed in the passage with “nor of the will of man” because man causes not man to be “born of God” nor man causes to “believe in His name”, whom are the “children of God”, nor man causes to be the “many as received Him” (John 1:12-13).

The grammatical sense of the word “receive” indicates Christ “unavoidably enters” a joyfully receptive person according to the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24) because the Apostle indicates the “born of God” are the ones that God causes to “believe in His name”, whom are the “children of God”, whom are the ones that God causes to be the “many as received Him” (John 1:12-13).

Since you are so very focused on the BAGD throughout your prior post, even in your closing paragraph:

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e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b;​

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then the following needs to be recognized:

• that God controls the “received” and the “recognizing his authority” are entirely controlled by God for it is written “it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure” (Philippians 2:13) – THE CONCEPT EMPHASIZED IN YOUR CLOSING PARAGRAPH IS NOT CONTROLLED BY MAN.
• that BAGD extended the “take up, receive” definition of lambano in your heart with “receive someone into one’s house” as evident in your quotation of Scripture that you disbelieve “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:30–31) see “one’s house” in BAGD along with thy house (Acts 16:30-31) as a relation, and this Paul wrote that God causes people to believe and that the believe is not of yourselves/man with:

Receive lambano is an aorist active indicative 3rd person verb

Lambano

e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b;

You will note BAGD gives a meaning of to receive someone in the sense of recognizing their authority specifically citing John 1:12

It is in the active voice - which indicated it is something they must do


not something that is done to you

and as for the verse you quote out of context

Philippians 2:12–13 (KJV 1900) — 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

It concerns believers not unbelievers

You remove the quote from its context and twist its meaning

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[TomL]

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  by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast, for we are His work
  (Ephesians 2:8-10).​
  So, Paul dispelled your deception that the “Believe” in Acts 16:30-31 was of man to the glory of man, just is the conclusion of your heart’s treasure. Truly God gets the glory for us believers believing in Jesus.

Afraid not as even these Calvinist scholars show

And that not of yourselves. That is, salvation does not proceed from yourselves. The word rendered that—τοῦτο—is in the neuter gender, and the word faith—πίστις—is in the feminine. The word “that,” therefore, does not refer particularly to faith, as being the gift of God, but to the salvation by grace of which he had been speaking. This is the interpretation of the passage which is the most obvious, and which is now generally conceded to be the true one; see Bloomfield1

1 Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Ephesians, Philippians & Colossians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 42.

But they commonly misintepret this text, and restrict the word ‘gift’ to faith alone. But Paul is only repeating his earlier statement in other words. He does not mean that faith is the gift of God, but that salvation is given to us by God … " (from, Calvin’s Commentaries 4:145

For by grace (τῃ γαρ χαριτι [tēi gar chariti]). Explanatory reason. “By the grace” already mentioned in verse 5 and so with the article. Through faith (δια πιστεως [dia pisteōs]). This phrase he adds in repeating what he said in verse 5 to make it plainer. “Grace” is God’s part, “faith” ours. And that (και τουτο [kai touto]). Neuter, not feminine ταυτη [tautē], and so refers not to πιστις [pistis] (feminine) or to χαρις [charis] (feminine also), but to the act of being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part. Paul shows that salvation does not have its source (ἐξ ὑμων [ex humōn], out of you) in men, but from God. Besides, it is God’s gift (δωρον [dōron]) and not the result of our work.

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Eph 2:8.

Finally as the non-Calvinist Clarke notes

the grace or power to believe, and the act of believing, are two different things. Without the grace or power to believe no man ever did or can believe; but with that power the act of faith is a man’s own. God never believes for any man, no more than he repents for him; the penitent, through this grace enabling him, believes for himself: nor does he believe necessarily, or impulsively when he has that power; the power to believe may be present long before it is exercised, else, why the solemn warnings with which we meet every where in the word of God, and threatenings against those who do not believe? Is not this a proof that such persons have the power but do not use it? They believe not, and therefore are not established. This, therefore, is the true state of the case: God gives the power, man uses the power thus given, and brings glory to God: without the power no man can believe; with it, any man may.1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 439.

The parallel phrases not of works and not of yourself show it is salvation not faith which is not of yourself

Faith involves your will in trusting the object of your belief. No one can exercise your will and God cannot believe for you

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Freewill is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

sorry, Your theology is based on Gnostic falsehoods conjured up in the mind of a man steeped in cultic traditions which were absent from and contested by the early church

 

[brightfame52]

In other words, he forcefully made them willing

Force isnt in the equation, man unjustly puts it there, Gods making or causing one to do something, they will do it willingly. Jesus going to the cross to die for the sins of the elect was predetermined by God yet He did it willingly Lk 22:22

 

[TomL]

Force isnt in the equation, man unjustly puts it there, Gods making or causing one to do something, they will do it willingly. Jesus going to the cross to die for the sins of the elect was predetermined by God yet He did it willingly Lk 22:22

Sorry your theology has God by his power determining the will of man

That is force

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Sorry your theology has God by his power determining the will of man

That is force

That is a straw man. And your theology denies the sovereignty of your Creator.

 

[Azriel]

They are predestinated,

As stated, no force at all, men willingly do the things God predetermined that they do.

That's an oxymoron. Let me explain... If your program to do something as in predetermined then it is not done willingly. Our choices are not predetermined, but influenced by our consciousness, our experience of being ourselves. Some human beings make good decisions like choosing to believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. While other human beings rejection Him. Salvation 101

 

[Azriel]

That is a straw man. And your theology denies the sovereignty of your Creator.

God's Sovereignty shows His supreme excellence and an example of itIs found in John 3:16

For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come todestruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
John3:16

Us whosoevers lovingly believe in God's Sovereignty. We acknowledge that God is absolutely sovereign. On the other hand, We understand that we have free will and are fully responsible for our own actions.

Is God completely in charge of everything? Yes. “For I am God,and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times thingsnot yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I willaccomplish all my purpose,’” Isaiah 46:9-10

Do all people have to answer for their choices and actions? Absolutely. “For whatever one sows, that will he also reap” Galatians 6:7

 

[Studyman]

Its the Highest Blasphemy to say mans will thwarts Gods will, Gods Purpose. And Salvation is grounded in Gods Purpose 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The same people 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

It is blasphemy for men to cherry pick scriptures and twist them to promote man's own adopted religious philosophy over God's Inspired Words. I am not promoting "mans" will over God's, as you slanderously imply, I am posting God's Word which expose the manmade doctrine you are promoting, as not from God's Word.

It is an insidious lie promoted by "many", who transform themselves into apostles of Christ, that God chooses winners and losers based on some hidden secret "holy lottery" based on nothing a man chooses to do. And to promote such wickedness, one must ignore and omit massive amounts of Inspired Scripture and also convince as many as possible that God is a liar regarding many more. As the serpent also convinced Eve.

Duet. 30: 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

And the Jesus "of the Bible" confirms this truth.

Matt. 23: 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 13: 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Sadly, there are "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who have adopted the religious philosophy you are promoting.

Jesus gives us a glimpse of what these "many" who believed they were predestined to be saved regardless of their choices, will say in the
Judgment.

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God chose Moses to give men His Law. He chose Pharoah to resist him. He chose the Exodus to teach us not to lust after evil things. He chose the Prophets to show us the righteousness and the wrath of God against all unrighteousness of men. He sent His Son to teach us in the way we should go, and provide for our forgiveness. HE chose Disciples to teach us the Spiritual intent of God's instruction. All these things God has prepared for us to know Him and written down for our benefit.

And this religious philosophy you have adopted makes it all a scam. Hollywood, all fake, because men preach God has already chosen losers and winners from the foundation of the world regardless of their choices, so none of these things that Paul said were "Written for our admonition" mean anything, they don't even matter because man has no free will to choose God. God's Word then becomes irrelevant, which is exactly the same message of the serpent to Eve.

Men should be ashamed who promote such evil wickedness, but they are not, as it is written;

Jer. 6: 13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We "will" not walk therein. (Not as you promote, We "can" not )

 

[Kermos]

Really?

Deuteronomy 30:11–19 (NASB 2020) — 11 “For this commandment which I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far away. 12 It is not in heaven, that you could say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us and get it for us, and proclaim it to us, so that we may follow it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you could say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us and get it for us and proclaim it to us, so that we may follow it?’ 14 On the contrary, the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may follow it. 15 “See, I have placed before you today life and happiness, and death and adversity, 16 in that I am commanding you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, so that you may live and become numerous, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to take possession of it. 17 But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but allow yourself to be led astray and you worship other gods and serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you will certainly perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and take possession of it. 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have placed before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,

Joshua 24:15–22 (NASB 2020) — 15 But if it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served, which were beyond the Euphrates River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” 16 The people answered and said, “Far be it from us that we would abandon the LORD to serve other gods; 17 for the LORD our God is He who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slaves, and did these great signs in our sight and watched over us through all the way in which we went and among all the peoples through whose midst we passed. 18 The LORD drove out from before us all the peoples, even the Amorites who lived in the land. We also will serve the LORD, for He is our God.” 19 Then Joshua said to the people, “You will not be able to serve the LORD, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your wrongdoing or your sins. 20 If you abandon the LORD and serve foreign gods, then He will turn and do you harm and destroy you after He has done good to you.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, but we will serve the LORD.” 22 So Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen for yourselves the LORD, to serve Him.” And they said, “We are witnesses.”

“And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?” (Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57).

The phrase "choose God" is absent from Deuteronomy 30:11–19 and Joshua 24:15–22.

Isreal was punished for opposition to God after the Deuteronomy 30:11–19 and Joshua 24:15–22, so God conferred no ability to choose God in Deuteronomy 30:11–19 and Joshua 24:15–22.

The Hebrew Word For “Choose” And It’s Conjugates Is בָּחר (bachar) Strong’s Number 977

Beholding Joshua 24:15

Joshua expresses a conditional logic statement in Joshua 24:15, and a conditional logic statement is normally an IF/THEN construct, for example:

IF condition THEN predicate

Stated in a more Joshua 24:15 focused fashion.

IF you_do_this that_will_happen

Thus, the conditional expresses an action in the condition (you_do_this), and the effectual result in the predicate (that_will_happen).

A conditional does not convey ability to the recipient of the conditional.

Now, the conditional logic statement Joshua expressed was “If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD” (Joshua 24:15), so the condition (you_do_this) is “to serve the LORD is disagreeable in your eyes”; furthermore, Joshua 24:15 contains no reference to “choice” nor “free will” towards God . The condition Joshua expressed states the condition/state-of-being/nature of the person.

Disagreeable does not mean choose.

In the predicate Joshua provides only false gods to choose among for the those people whose nature is against the LORD, for Joshua said “choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living” (Joshua 24:15), and the word “choose” in this verse is translated from בָּחר (bachar) (Strong’s Number 977).

Finaly, Joshua states “[b[but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD[/b[“, and there is no reference to “choice” nor “free will” towards God (Joshua 24:15).

A state of being, “disagreeable”, is mentioned in Joshua 24:15, and action, “serve”, is mentioned in Joshua 24:15.

There is no choice towards God mentioned in Joshua 24:15

Beholding The Larger Context Surrounding Joshua 24:15​

No scripture states that the people in attendance actually chose the gods of their fathers or that they chose the gods of the Amorites, not in Joshua 24:15, not elsewhere.
I am not necessarily saying that they could not choose the gods of their fathers or the gods of the Amorites.

The people said "We also will serve the LORD, for He is our God" (Joshua 24:18).

Joshua declared to the people in response "You will not be able to serve the LORD, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins" (Joshua 24:19).

JOSHUA JUST TOLD THEM THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE GOD.

The people then said to Joshua, "No, but we will serve YHWH." (Joshua 24:21).

Joshua responded to the people with "You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen for yourselves YHWH, to serve Him." (Joshua 24:22)

JOSHUA JUST TOLD THEM THAT THEY ARE "WITNESSES AGAINST YOURSELVES", SO THEY TESTIFIED TO THE CONDEMNATION OF THEMSELVES.

When a person is a "witness for a defendant", then such a one is a proponent for the defendant; in other words, a witness for the defendant. This scenario outlines testimony for justification of the defendant.

When a person is a "witness against a defendant", then such a one is an opponent against the defendant; in other words, a witness against the defendant. This scenario outlines testimony for condemnation of the defendant.

The truth is there is no free will in the passage.

Regarding when Joshua said "You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen for yourselves the LORD, to serve Him" (Joshua 24:22):

From the time that Joshua commanded "Now therefore, put away the foreign gods which are in your midst" (Joshua 24:23) until after Joshua's death (Joshua 24:29) and after Othneil (Judges 3:9) and after Ehud (Judges 3:15) and after Shamgar (Judges 3:31) and after Deborah and Barak (Judges 4-5) and after Gideon (Judges 6-8) and after Tola (Judges 10:1) and after Jair (Judges 10:3), it was not until after all that time that...

After all that time it is written "they put away the foreign gods from among them" (Judges 10:16), and there is no record of the Israelites putting away the foreign Gods prior to that time.

Judges 10:16 contains the first occurrence of "foreign gods" after Joshua 24:23.

So there is no record of the people in attendance fulfilling Joshua's command of "Now therefore, put away the foreign gods which are in your midst" (Joshua 24:23), and non-performance of the command shows fruit contrary of their choice mentioned by Joshua.

Beholding The Corollary Between Joshua's Words And Jesus' Words - Expressing The Exclusive Power Of God For God And Man Communing​

Joshua declared "You will not be able to serve YHWH" (Joshua 24:19, and recall Joshua saying the people chose God in a pejorative manner in Joshua 24:22).
Lord Yeshua declares "you did not choose Me" (John 15:16).

The Lord is a Holy God (Joshua 24:19), and no man can enter the presence of God by the man's own autonomous power (Matthew 19:25-26).

BEHOLD THE DISTINCT COROLLARY BETWEEN JOSHUA'S WORDS AND YESHUA'S WORDS - THAT MAN IS IMPOTENT AT CHOOSING GOD.

Joshua declared "He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins" (Joshua 24:19).

Lord Yeshua declares "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation).

The Lord is a jealous God (Joshua 24:19), so God does not share the glory of choosing man unto salvation (Isaiah 42:8).

BEHOLD ANOTHER DISTINCT COROLLARY BETWEEN JOSHUA'S WORDS AND YESHUA'S WORDS - THAT GOD EXCLUSIVELY CONTROLS FORGIVENESS OF SINS UNTO SALVATION.

(1) The scripture in Joshua 24 never indicates that the people chose God with God's blessing.

(2) Joshua told the people that they are "witnesses against yourselves" (Joshua 24:22), so the people testified to the condemnation of themselves.

(3) From the time that Joshua commanded to the people in attendance "Now therefore, put away the foreign gods which are in your midst" (Joshua 24:23) at least 245 years* transpired until another generation of people "put away the foreign gods from among them" (Judges 10:16), and there is no record of the Israelites putting away the foreign gods prior to that time, and non-performance of the command (Joshua 24:23) shows fruit contrary of the people in attendance choice mentioned by Joshua (Joshua 24:22).

* 40 years (Judges 3:11) + 80 years (Judges 3:30) + 40 years (Judges 5:31) + 40 years (Judges 8:28) + 23 years (Judges 10:2) + 22 years (Judges 10:3) = 245 years

The Truth (John 14:6) is no scripture states that man was imparted free will, in particular, the ability to choose God unto man being saved from the wrath of God, for God reserses this glorious work unto God's majestic glory alone (John 15:16, John 15:19, includes salvation).

Joshua Deuteronomy 30:11–19 and Joshua 24:15–22 are not proof texts free-will, in fact, free-will is nonsense according to the Word of God who says:

• ”you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• ”I chose you out of the world” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• ”What I say to you I say to all” (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 – Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for free-willians to add to the Word of God, and it is written “do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar” (Proverbs 30:6).

No Word of God states man was imparted the ability to choose God - God reserves the glory of man's salvation unto God!

We Christians are blessed of God to be chosen by Lord Jesus without us being required to do any kind of work because the Word of God says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation)!

 

[Kermos]

Wonderfull verses you turn around and deny

This is an universal call

2 Corinthians 5:20 (NASB 2020) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

sorry the ideas Paul is calling on believers to be reconciled is absurd

World is not synonymous with the elect or believers

God was reconciling the world which is then instructed to be reconciles to God

2 Corinthians 5:19–20 (ESV) — 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.


Isaiah 55:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: Hear, and your soul shall live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you, Even the sure mercies of David.



Isaiah 45:22 (ESV) — 22 “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

Isaiah 55:1 (ESV) — 1 “Come, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Again we have a universal call which your theology denies



Revelation 22:17 (ESV) — 17 The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.

The phrase "universal call" is mentioned not in 2 Corinthians 5:20. The "world" in the context of 2 Corinthians 5:19-20 is exclusively the people that God will convert into the children of God because Paul is addressing specifically converts/believers (2 Corinthians 1:1), so 2 Corinthians 5:19-20 is constrained by 2 Corinthians 1:1.

In 2 Corinthians 5:20, Paul is addressing specifically converts/believers (2 Corinthians 1:1); therefore, Paul is not addressing unconverted/unbelievers. Anyone who responded to Paul is under "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13), so for one to be be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:20) is entirely dependent on "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21).

Lord Jesus Christ says "many are called, but few are chosen" (the Word of God, Matthew 22:14).

In Isaiah 55:3, Isaiah 45:22, and Isaiah 55:1, the Word of God issues commands, and commands do not convey ability. The Apostle Peter addressed the commands found in the Old Testament with "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear" (Acts 15:10), so one who obeys any of the commands is entirely dependent on "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21).

In Revelation 22:17, the ONLY participants identified in the exchange are The Spirit and the Bride saying “Come.”. We are told of the presence of Holy God and the saints ("holy ones") only in Revelation 22:17. You better be careful about conveying that unholy ones are present, here, TomL, because adding to Revelation carries dire consequences (Revelation 22:18-19).

None of those passages that you quoted states that man can choose God unto salvation, so your spirit is clearly evident because your heart falsifies the Word of God (1 John 4:1).

The Word of God explicitly excludes man from being able to choose God unto salvation with Christ's powerful:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for free-willians to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

We Christians are blessed of God to be chosen by Lord Jesus without us being required to do any kind of work because the Word of God says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation)! PRAISE BE TO THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

 

[Studyman]

That is a straw man. And your theology denies the sovereignty of your Creator.

God tells men to "choose Life". Calvinism promotes the philosophy that man cannot choose Life unless God has predetermined them as receivers of life. And this based on nothing they do. And to believe All that is actually written in Scriptures, somehow "denies the sovereignty of your Creator". And of course, if a man supports a religious sect or business which promotes Calvinism, this is proof that that God has chosen him to receive Life, and nothing they do can change that.

It's an ingenious marketing strategy to convert men to support their particular religious business over the other one down the street and has created a lot of wealth and power for those who own the religious franchise.

However, to believe in this philosophy one must be convinced that God lied to Israel, and to us. Live or die, I am not going to Judge God in such a manner.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

God tells men to "choose Life". Calvinism promotes the philosophy that man cannot choose Life unless God has predetermined them as receivers of life. And this based on nothing they do. And to believe All that is actually written in Scriptures, somehow "denies the sovereignty of your Creator". And of course, if a man supports a religious sect or business which promotes Calvinism, this is proof that that God has chosen him to receive Life, and nothing they do can change that.

It's an ingenious marketing strategy to convert men to support their particular religious business over the other one down the street and has created a lot of wealth and power for those who own the religious franchise.

However, to believe in this philosophy one must be convinced that God lied to Israel, and to us. Live or die, I am not going to Judge God in such a manner.

God told men to follow the law, knowing men are unable to do so. In fact, Jesus emphasized the futility of the commands by comparing what you would REALLY have to do to be righteous at God's level. Look at a woman with lust and wham, you just broke the law. And if you break one part of the law, you've broken all of it. Jesus told them in so many words that they are UNABLE to "choose life" on their own steam.

Assuming that God told men to "choose life" with the hope that they would do so successfully demonstrates you don't understand the nature of man or the whole message of the Bible. God didn't set before men a choice in hopes that they would "choose life". God told men to "choose life" knowing they would fail, in order to demonstrate to man their inability, the purpose of which was to drive them toward the need of a savior. In fact, in Deuteronomy, God comes right out and tells them they'll be cursed. If there was the possibility that they could "choose life", why would God tell them in advance that they won't?

There is ONLY ONE man who could "choose life" according to God's rules. Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[Rockson]

Force isnt in the equation, man unjustly puts it there, Gods making or causing one to do something, they will do it willingly.

Here's what you've done to your mind and are seeking to do to others.
It can be compared to this. I've seen numbers of Christians make a circle around a person to pray.....One in the circle while praying say to the one, "Hang on brother hang on!" (meaning hang on to the promises of God) Another is saying, "Let go brother let go!" (meaning give over your problems to God)
What the person is hearing though is, Hang On! Let Go! Hang on! Let Go! They could actually both be right knowing the context of their statements and what they mean but you never could be.

You can't have God is making them but he isn't, he's making them but he isn't because you always have to come back to ....HE MADE THEM DO IT. Calvinism is therefore a contradiction of any an all rational thought, I've said before it's like an amusement park ride, the Scrambler. You're sent with force one direction and then it swings back with force the opposite way. In other words one doesn't know if they're coming or going! Now keep in mind the Scrambler theology that Calvinist have and read the following verse,

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 4:14

So when one is advocating God is making them but he isn't because they're willfully doing it.....they're trying to put you on the Scrambler and the effect will be to toss you to and fro....consider this is NOT THE WILL OF God. He wants your minds to have stability and peace.

 

[Joe]

Hello Joe,

Largely, I use free will to mean man choosing toward God, emphatically Lord Jesus Christ, so I plan to continue using this term in order to avoid any confusion.

You unceremoniously deleted much Word of God, you just slashed Lord Jesus Christ's wonderful sayings.

No Scripture states man can choose God, even unto salvation.

Since you proceeded to preach your thoughts that oppose the very Word of God in the post that your heart removed,

I told you I would not continue "for the rest of your post", "until we both come to the consensus of the bible that man does have liberty of will to refuse sin and choose to obey God or not."

I gave you biblical accounts in context that disprove the erroneous belief that man cannot decide to choose God. Moses is one of those accounts. I noticed you did not explain how Moses refused the pleasures of sin and chose instead to be mistreated with his people.

“By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.” (Heb 11:24-25)

The account of Moses happened before God called him to lead his people. So there was no choosing of God at this point.

So I ask you again, "Was Moses forced by God to refuse sin and choose being mistreated with God's people?"
"Under what power did Moses bow his will?"

And about repentance, "Does God force anyone to repent? Or does God command men to repent, to have a change of mind and turn away from living to the flesh and live by faith in Him?"


As for willingness...

Our Lord spoke a parable of a wedding.

• "The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come." (Mat 22:2-3)

We know this parable is in reference to the unwillingness of the Jewish people to accept God's invite to eternal salvation through His Son. God invited them first to eternal salvation and they were not willing to come.

You may object and say it was not God's will for them to be saved. And yet the next example disproves that erroneous thought.

In another example our Lord lamented over the Jewish people.

• "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!" (Mat 23:37)

This statement clearly states God's will was to save the Jewish people but they were not willing.

These two verbal exchanges contextually prove God's will was to save the Jewish people but they were not willing.

And lastly the Apostle John stated:

• "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

The order of salvation is given by John:

1. to those who did receive/accept Him; to those who believe in His name
2. He gave them the right to become the children of God. Who were born of the will of God.

This statement from John is clear.

Jesus came to His own and they did not receive/accept/believe Him. And we know God wanted to save them because Jesus said so. Our Lord gave them the invite to eternal life first, but they were not willing to come. And because of their unwillingness, the Kingdom was taken from them and given to us Gentiles who would bear its fruit.​

Nowhere in the bible does it say or imply God makes one willing to repent and believe Him. It is simply not there.

The onus of this is upon the hearer to accept by faith God’s invite to be forgiven and live with Him forever. By faith, one will either accept God’s invite or not. One will either refuse sin and choose God like Moses or in unbelief refuse God and continue in their sin.

Here is your moment to answer the questions biblically without distorting the context to prove your dogma. I am not interested in any response except to answer my questions with the bible.

You approached me. I did not approach you. If you want to hold a meaningful dialogue with me, I ask you to please lose the pontificating attitude. It is beneath you in Christ.

God Bless

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry your theology has God by his power determining the will of man

That is force

Its His Power sure, however the one He predetermined to do His will does it willing from their own accountable to God volition. When God predetermined and did harden the heart of king of sihon to forbid Israel so He could destroy him, the king wasnt forced, he did it willingly Deut 2:30

But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the Lord thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

Even though God Almighty actively hardened his spirit, and MADE his heart obstinate, he will tell you, he wasnt forced

 

[brightfame52]

That's an oxymoron. Let me explain... If your program to do something as in predetermined then it is not done willingly. Our choices are not predetermined, but influenced by our consciousness, our experience of being ourselves. Some human beings make good decisions like choosing to believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. While other human beings rejection Him. Salvation 101

As stated, no force at all, men willingly do the things God predetermined that they do.

 

[brightfame52]

It is blasphemy for men to cherry pick scriptures and twist them to promote man's own adopted religious philosophy over God's Inspired Words. I am not promoting "mans" will over God's, as you slanderously imply, I am posting God's Word which expose the manmade doctrine you are promoting, as not from God's Word.

It is an insidious lie promoted by "many", who transform themselves into apostles of Christ, that God chooses winners and losers based on some hidden secret "holy lottery" based on nothing a man chooses to do. And to promote such wickedness, one must ignore and omit massive amounts of Inspired Scripture and also convince as many as possible that God is a liar regarding many more. As the serpent also convinced Eve.

Duet. 30: 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

And the Jesus "of the Bible" confirms this truth.

Matt. 23: 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 13: 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Sadly, there are "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who have adopted the religious philosophy you are promoting.

Jesus gives us a glimpse of what these "many" who believed they were predestined to be saved regardless of their choices, will say in the
Judgment.

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God chose Moses to give men His Law. He chose Pharoah to resist him. He chose the Exodus to teach us not to lust after evil things. He chose the Prophets to show us the righteousness and the wrath of God against all unrighteousness of men. He sent His Son to teach us in the way we should go, and provide for our forgiveness. HE chose Disciples to teach us the Spiritual intent of God's instruction. All these things God has prepared for us to know Him and written down for our benefit.

And this religious philosophy you have adopted makes it all a scam. Hollywood, all fake, because men preach God has already chosen losers and winners from the foundation of the world regardless of their choices, so none of these things that Paul said were "Written for our admonition" mean anything, they don't even matter because man has no free will to choose God. God's Word then becomes irrelevant, which is exactly the same message of the serpent to Eve.

Men should be ashamed who promote such evil wickedness, but they are not, as it is written;

Jer. 6: 13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We "will" not walk therein. (Not as you promote, We "can" not )

Its blasphemy to say, even imply, somebody thwarted Gods Purpose, its the height of impiety. And Salvation is according to Gods Purpose 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Learn this about Gods Purpose friend, and may he teach people not to blaspheme Isa 14:24

The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

That word thought means to think or intend, so shall it come to pass,

And for you or me to say it wont come to pass, is rebellion against God

 

[brightfame52]

Here's what you've done to your mind and are seeking to do to others.
It can be compared to this. I've seen numbers of Christians make a circle around a person to pray.....One in the circle while praying say to the one, "Hang on brother hang on!" (meaning hang on to the promises of God) Another is saying, "Let go brother let go!" (meaning give over your problems to God)
What the person is hearing though is, Hang On! Let Go! Hang on! Let Go! They could actually both be right knowing the context of their statements and what they mean but you never could be.

You can't have God is making them but he isn't, he's making them but he isn't because you always have to come back to ....HE MADE THEM DO IT. Calvinism is therefore a contradiction of any an all rational thought, I've said before it's like an amusement park ride, the Scrambler. You're sent with force one direction and then it swings back with force the opposite way. In other words one doesn't know if they're coming or going! Now keep in mind the Scrambler theology that Calvinist have and read the following verse,

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 4:14

So when one is advocating God is making them but he isn't because they're willfully doing it.....they're trying to put you on the Scrambler and the effect will be to toss you to and fro....consider this is NOT THE WILL OF God. He wants your minds to have stability and peace.

Force isnt in the equation, man unjustly puts it there, Gods making or causing one to do something, they will do it willingly.

 

[civic]

Force isnt in the equation, man unjustly puts it there, Gods making or causing one to do something, they will do it willingly.

yes it is since man has no freedom of the will to decide and choose- the puppeteer is pulling all the strings not the puppet.

Robotics/ A.I. 101.

hope this helps !!!