An Article on free will

Clearly scripture teaches man is capable of believing the gospel

John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John 5:45–46 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 10:10–17 (KJV 1900) — 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

God can then change his nature
No man naturally cant believe the Gospel. The natural man cant spiritually discern the truth of the Gospel 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Paul stated the same thing earlier 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
 
No man naturally cant believe the Gospel. The natural man cant spiritually discern the truth of the Gospel 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Paul stated the same thing earlier 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Cherry picking to suit your theology but here is the context you forgot to read about if you continued on.

And the natural/carnal person if you keep on reading the passage since there are no chapter and verse in the original Greek say the following.

1 Cor 3:1- And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.
 
Thats a deception I cant help you with.
none at all I know non christians who respect and threat their wives and children better than christians. I know non christians who respect and obey their boss bettern than christians.

and I could give dozens more examples that disprove your unbiblical ideas.
 
Paul taught the enslavement of the will under the power of sin Rom 3:9

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
All men by nature says Paul are helpless captives to the power of sin. The word under ὑπό:

subject to the power of, any person or thing

Paul even said men are taken captive by the devils will, 2 Tim 2:26

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

"are taken captive" is in the perfect tense and passive voice, the devil has them permanently captive to do his will until God intervenes and grant them repentance.

They didnt have freewill, thats a deception !
 
It implies it, man cant change his disobedient nature. Thats why Jeremiah writes Jer 13:23

Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
What do you do with Jonah 3? The city of Nineveh was sent Jonah to tell them they would be overthrown. They all humbled themselves in sackcloth and ashes and "When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it."

And can you please explain how these OT brothers were righteous before God by how they lived if they were evil?
  • These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God. Gen 6:9
  • But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought out a man after his own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be prince over his people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.” 1Sa 13:14
  • because David did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. 1Ki 15:5
  • And Asa did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, as David his father had done. 1Ki 15:11
  • He (Jehoshaphat) walked in all the way of Asa his father. He did not turn aside from it, doing what was right in the sight of the LORD. Yet the high places were not taken away, and the people still sacrificed and made offerings on the high places. 1Ki 22:43
  • And Jehoash did what was right in the eyes of the LORD all his days, because Jehoiada the priest instructed him. 2Ki 12:2
  • So David reigned over all Israel. And David administered justice and equity to all his people. 2Sa 8:15
  • Asa pleased the LORD, his God, by doing what was right and good. 2Ch 14:2
  • Throughout all Judah, King Hezekiah did what was right and what was pleasing to the LORD his God. 2Ch 31:20
In light of the passages above, your use of Jeremiah extends further than it was meant.

From Life Application: Not even the threat of captivity could move the people to repent. The people had become so accustomed to doing evil that they had lost their ability to change. God never rejects those who sincerely turn to him. God was warning them to repent before it became impossible to change. We must never put off until tomorrow those changes God wants us to make. Our attitudes and patterns for living can become so set that we will lose all desire to change and will no longer fear the consequences.

Jesus as Saviour gives a change of mind Acts 5:31

1 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Mat 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”

The Lord did indeed give, commit, deliver, offer, to put into the hands of Israel repentance first than everyone afterwards.

Your use of "give" in this passage is misled to fit your Calvinistic dogma. The sentence above puts the word give in the proper context. Jesus didn't zap people with repentance. He gave them, offered them, committed to them, delivered to them, gave into their hands repentance first and then to us Gentiles afterwards.

Peter preaching to the Jewish crowd after healing a man by faith in the Lord's name, "God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.” Acts 3:26

Did every Jewish person repent? No, we know they did not. If Jesus gave them repentance how is it they didn't repent?

Repentance is the greek word :metanoia: change of mind, repentance

Now if you think man by his own freewill can stop being what he is by nature, and change his mind and become obedient, then congratulations, you have crowned man as his own saviour from sin.
If man does not have the freedom of will to repent, have a change of mind, then why does God command men everywhere to do so? Does He not know man cannot do so? Or is it man can do so and God commands men to think things through and come to Him? Did Jesus taste-experience death for everyone for nothing? He was sent by God to be the propitiation for the whole world. Salvation is brought to man, and man can be saved or not depending upon their response.

It really is off base to think a person cannot have a change of mind about themselves. People regret their behavior and decide to change it all the time. So, when God presents His living Word to people, they have a choice to either repent and live a life of belief in Jesus Christ or not. That is freedom of will.

I agree man cannot stop sinning on his own, but man can decide to turn to God and live his life to Him instead of a life of sin. Because we have decided to live our life to please God in faith of Jesus Christ, we receive the forgiveness of sins and the Spirit of God whom we live our life to His leading. All of this because God provided salvation for all men everywhere, which requires man to repent and believe.

Man does not have a bound will that stops him from making decisions. That is quite obvious since we are living proof. What man cannot do is save himself as you falsely think when one hears the Gospel and then acts in repentance and faith that God will save Him.


God Bless
 
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@Joe, your original reply said something about how the implication doesn't mean man doesn't have the ability to change his life for the better. (This was before you edited it.)

This passage explains why that doesn't do any good without the Spirit of God.

43 “When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order [changed himself for the better, no demons present]. 45 Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation.”
 
What do you do with Jonah 3? The city of Nineveh was sent Jonah to tell them they would be overthrown. They all humbled themselves in sackcloth and ashes and "When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it."

And can you please explain how these OT brothers were righteous before God by how they lived if they were evil?
  • These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God. Gen 6:9
  • But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought out a man after his own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be prince over his people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.” 1Sa 13:14
  • because David did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. 1Ki 15:5
  • And Asa did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, as David his father had done. 1Ki 15:11
  • He (Jehoshaphat) walked in all the way of Asa his father. He did not turn aside from it, doing what was right in the sight of the LORD. Yet the high places were not taken away, and the people still sacrificed and made offerings on the high places. 1Ki 22:43
  • And Jehoash did what was right in the eyes of the LORD all his days, because Jehoiada the priest instructed him. 2Ki 12:2
  • So David reigned over all Israel. And David administered justice and equity to all his people. 2Sa 8:15
  • Asa pleased the LORD, his God, by doing what was right and good. 2Ch 14:2
  • Throughout all Judah, King Hezekiah did what was right and what was pleasing to the LORD his God. 2Ch 31:20
In light of the passages above, your use of Jeremiah extends further than it was meant.

From Life Application: Not even the threat of captivity could move the people to repent. The people had become so accustomed to doing evil that they had lost their ability to change. God never rejects those who sincerely turn to him. God was warning them to repent before it became impossible to change. We must never put off until tomorrow those changes God wants us to make. Our attitudes and patterns for living can become so set that we will lose all desire to change and will no longer fear the consequences.


Mat 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”

The Lord did indeed give, commit, deliver, offer, to put into the hands of Israel repentance first than everyone afterwards.

Your use of "give" in this passage is misled to fit your Calvinistic dogma. The sentence above puts the word give in the proper context. Jesus didn't zap people with repentance. He gave them, offered them, committed to them, delivered to them, gave into their hands repentance first and then to us Gentiles afterwards.

Peter preaching to the Jewish crowd after healing a man by faith in the Lord's name, "God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.” Acts 3:26

Did every Jewish person repent? No, we know they did not. If Jesus gave them repentance how is it they didn't repent?


If man does not have the freedom of will to repent, have a change of mind, then why does God command men everywhere to do so? Does He not know man cannot do so? Or is it man can do so and God commands men to think things through and come to Him? Did Jesus taste-experience death for everyone for nothing? He was sent by God to be the propitiation for the whole world. Salvation is brought to man, and man can be saved or not depending upon their response.

It really is off base to think a person cannot have a change of mind about themselves. People regret their behavior and decide to change it all the time. So, when God presents His living Word to people, they have a choice to either repent and live a life of belief in Jesus Christ or not. That is freedom of will.

I agree man cannot stop sinning on his own, but man can decide to turn to God and live his life to Him instead of a life of sin. Because we have decided to live our life to please God in faith of Jesus Christ, we receive the forgiveness of sins and the Spirit of God whom we live our life to His leading. All of this because God provided salvation for all men everywhere, which requires man to repent and believe.

Man does not have a bound will that stops him from making decisions. That is quite obvious since we are living proof. What man cannot do is save himself as you falsely think when one hears the Gospel and then acts in repentance and faith that God will save Him.


God Bless
Excellent!
 
What do you do with Jonah 3? The city of Nineveh was sent Jonah to tell them they would be overthrown. They all humbled themselves in sackcloth and ashes and "When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it."

And can you please explain how these OT brothers were righteous before God by how they lived if they were evil?
  • These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God. Gen 6:9
  • But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought out a man after his own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be prince over his people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.” 1Sa 13:14
  • because David did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. 1Ki 15:5
  • And Asa did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, as David his father had done. 1Ki 15:11
  • He (Jehoshaphat) walked in all the way of Asa his father. He did not turn aside from it, doing what was right in the sight of the LORD. Yet the high places were not taken away, and the people still sacrificed and made offerings on the high places. 1Ki 22:43
  • And Jehoash did what was right in the eyes of the LORD all his days, because Jehoiada the priest instructed him. 2Ki 12:2
  • So David reigned over all Israel. And David administered justice and equity to all his people. 2Sa 8:15
  • Asa pleased the LORD, his God, by doing what was right and good. 2Ch 14:2
  • Throughout all Judah, King Hezekiah did what was right and what was pleasing to the LORD his God. 2Ch 31:20
In light of the passages above, your use of Jeremiah extends further than it was meant.

From Life Application: Not even the threat of captivity could move the people to repent. The people had become so accustomed to doing evil that they had lost their ability to change. God never rejects those who sincerely turn to him. God was warning them to repent before it became impossible to change. We must never put off until tomorrow those changes God wants us to make. Our attitudes and patterns for living can become so set that we will lose all desire to change and will no longer fear the consequences.


Mat 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”

The Lord did indeed give, commit, deliver, offer, to put into the hands of Israel repentance first than everyone afterwards.

Your use of "give" in this passage is misled to fit your Calvinistic dogma. The sentence above puts the word give in the proper context. Jesus didn't zap people with repentance. He gave them, offered them, committed to them, delivered to them, gave into their hands repentance first and then to us Gentiles afterwards.

Peter preaching to the Jewish crowd after healing a man by faith in the Lord's name, "God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.” Acts 3:26

Did every Jewish person repent? No, we know they did not. If Jesus gave them repentance how is it they didn't repent?


If man does not have the freedom of will to repent, have a change of mind, then why does God command men everywhere to do so? Does He not know man cannot do so? Or is it man can do so and God commands men to think things through and come to Him? Did Jesus taste-experience death for everyone for nothing? He was sent by God to be the propitiation for the whole world. Salvation is brought to man, and man can be saved or not depending upon their response.

It really is off base to think a person cannot have a change of mind about themselves. People regret their behavior and decide to change it all the time. So, when God presents His living Word to people, they have a choice to either repent and live a life of belief in Jesus Christ or not. That is freedom of will.

I agree man cannot stop sinning on his own, but man can decide to turn to God and live his life to Him instead of a life of sin. Because we have decided to live our life to please God in faith of Jesus Christ, we receive the forgiveness of sins and the Spirit of God whom we live our life to His leading. All of this because God provided salvation for all men everywhere, which requires man to repent and believe.

Man does not have a bound will that stops him from making decisions. That is quite obvious since we are living proof. What man cannot do is save himself as you falsely think when one hears the Gospel and then acts in repentance and faith that God will save Him.


God Bless
These ignore the whole council of God in their CHOOSING to believe the heresy of John Calvin, rather than the word of God and the Holy Spirit !

It is quite comical to see this unsubstantiated circular reasoning of " NO free will" in serving God. It cannot be backed by the word except they macerate what is written by picking out what soothes their delusion of belief !
 
@Joe, your original reply said something about how the implication doesn't mean man doesn't have the ability to change his life for the better. (This was before you edited it.)
Eph 2 does not state or suggest man cannot decide to have a change of mind. I made my point before, so I edited it out.
This passage explains why that doesn't do any good without the Spirit of God.

43 “When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order [changed himself for the better, no demons present]. 45 Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation.”
Actually, the passage you quoted has to do with the nation of Israel. The nation had been swept clean by the teaching and preaching of John the Baptist and of our Lord. Many had come to repent, but the nation did not turn around and repent from sin and believe in Jesus as their Savior. So, they were no better off than a clean but empty house. Our Lord gave the picture of the demon finding seven other spirits and returning to the clean house; the person now filled with eight demons instead of one is definitely worse off than before. Thus the unbelieving Jewish people of that generation would be far worse after Jesus left than before. History proves this to be; they were the most evil as recorded by the writings of the NT authors and the Jewish historian Josephus.

The Lord used the word picture to tell the unbelieving Jewish people what was going to happen to them. It has nothing to do with a man having an inability to repent in obedience to God's will. It actually speaks out against those who do not repent.

God Bless
 
Eph 2 does not state or suggest man cannot decide to have a change of mind. I made my point before, so I edited it out.

Actually, the passage you quoted has to do with the nation of Israel. The nation had been swept clean by the teaching and preaching of John the Baptist and of our Lord. Many had come to repent, but the nation did not turn around and repent from sin and believe in Jesus as their Savior. So, they were no better off than a clean but empty house. Our Lord gave the picture of the demon finding seven other spirits and returning to the clean house; the person now filled with eight demons instead of one is definitely worse off than before. Thus the unbelieving Jewish people of that generation would be far worse after Jesus left than before. History proves this to be; they were the most evil as recorded by the writings of the NT authors and the Jewish historian Josephus.

The Lord used the word picture to tell the unbelieving Jewish people what was going to happen to them. It has nothing to do with a man having an inability to repent in obedience to God's will. It actually speaks out against those who do not repent.

God Bless

Typical. If the verse cannot support free-will, it is only referring to Israel. If you can interpret it as free-will, it refers to everyone but Israel.
 
Typical. If the verse cannot support free-will, it is only referring to Israel. If you can interpret it as free-will, it refers to everyone but Israel.
Context brother, context. You brought it up thinking it meant something that it does not. Please do not cry foul now.

I ask you to please understand what our Lord was saying to the unbelieving Jewish people of His day. They ended up being more evil after He left than before He came. The infighting amongst them of course goes against the heart of the Law, love.

God Bless
 
What do you do with Jonah 3? The city of Nineveh was sent Jonah to tell them they would be overthrown. They all humbled themselves in sackcloth and ashes and "When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it."

And can you please explain how these OT brothers were righteous before God by how they lived if they were evil?
  • These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God. Gen 6:9
  • But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought out a man after his own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be prince over his people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.” 1Sa 13:14
  • because David did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. 1Ki 15:5
  • And Asa did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, as David his father had done. 1Ki 15:11
  • He (Jehoshaphat) walked in all the way of Asa his father. He did not turn aside from it, doing what was right in the sight of the LORD. Yet the high places were not taken away, and the people still sacrificed and made offerings on the high places. 1Ki 22:43
  • And Jehoash did what was right in the eyes of the LORD all his days, because Jehoiada the priest instructed him. 2Ki 12:2
  • So David reigned over all Israel. And David administered justice and equity to all his people. 2Sa 8:15
  • Asa pleased the LORD, his God, by doing what was right and good. 2Ch 14:2
  • Throughout all Judah, King Hezekiah did what was right and what was pleasing to the LORD his God. 2Ch 31:20
In light of the passages above, your use of Jeremiah extends further than it was meant.

From Life Application: Not even the threat of captivity could move the people to repent. The people had become so accustomed to doing evil that they had lost their ability to change. God never rejects those who sincerely turn to him. God was warning them to repent before it became impossible to change. We must never put off until tomorrow those changes God wants us to make. Our attitudes and patterns for living can become so set that we will lose all desire to change and will no longer fear the consequences.


Mat 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”

The Lord did indeed give, commit, deliver, offer, to put into the hands of Israel repentance first than everyone afterwards.

Your use of "give" in this passage is misled to fit your Calvinistic dogma. The sentence above puts the word give in the proper context. Jesus didn't zap people with repentance. He gave them, offered them, committed to them, delivered to them, gave into their hands repentance first and then to us Gentiles afterwards.

Peter preaching to the Jewish crowd after healing a man by faith in the Lord's name, "God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.” Acts 3:26

Did every Jewish person repent? No, we know they did not. If Jesus gave them repentance how is it they didn't repent?


If man does not have the freedom of will to repent, have a change of mind, then why does God command men everywhere to do so? Does He not know man cannot do so? Or is it man can do so and God commands men to think things through and come to Him? Did Jesus taste-experience death for everyone for nothing? He was sent by God to be the propitiation for the whole world. Salvation is brought to man, and man can be saved or not depending upon their response.

It really is off base to think a person cannot have a change of mind about themselves. People regret their behavior and decide to change it all the time. So, when God presents His living Word to people, they have a choice to either repent and live a life of belief in Jesus Christ or not. That is freedom of will.

I agree man cannot stop sinning on his own, but man can decide to turn to God and live his life to Him instead of a life of sin. Because we have decided to live our life to please God in faith of Jesus Christ, we receive the forgiveness of sins and the Spirit of God whom we live our life to His leading. All of this because God provided salvation for all men everywhere, which requires man to repent and believe.

Man does not have a bound will that stops him from making decisions. That is quite obvious since we are living proof. What man cannot do is save himself as you falsely think when one hears the Gospel and then acts in repentance and faith that God will save Him.


God Bless
I dont do nothing with Jonah. Jonah doesnt change what man is by nature. By nature man is disobedient, he cant change his nature of what he is, Eph 2:2-3

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 
I dont do nothing with Jonah. Jonah doesnt change what man is by nature. By nature man is disobedient, he cant change his nature of what he is, Eph 2:2-3

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Does man have the ability to repent?
 
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