Salvation is according to the will of God

[brightfame52]

Thayer

ἱλάσκομαι; (see below); in classical Greek the middle of an act. ἱλάσκω (to render propitious, appease) never met with;
1. to render propitious to oneself, to appease, conciliate to oneself (from ἴλαος gracious, gentle); from Homer down; mostly with the accusative of a person, as Θεόν, Ἀθηνην, etc. (τόν Θεόν ἱλάσασθαι, Josephus, Antiquities 6, 6, 5); very rarely with the accusative of the thing, as τήνὀργήν, Plutarch, Cat. min. 61 (with which cf. ἐξιλάσκεσθαι θυμόν, Proverbs 16:14the Sept.). In Biblical Greek used passively, to become propitious, be placated or appeased; in 1 aorist imperative ἱλάσθητι, be propitious, be gracious, be merciful (in secular authors ἱληθι and Doric, ἵλαθι, which the gramm. regard as the present of an unused verb ἵλημι, to be propitious; cf. Alexander Buttmann (1873) Ausf. Sp. ii., p. 206; Kühner, § 343, i., p. 839; Passow, (or Liddell and Scott, or Veitch) under the word ἵλημι), with the dative of the thing or the person: Luke 18:13 (ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις, Psalm 78:9 (); Psalm 87:38 (); τῇ ἁμαρτία, Psalm 24:11 (); ἱλάσθη ὁ κύριος περί τῆςκακίας, Exodus 32:14 Alex.; ἱλασθήσεταικυρίου τῷ δούλῳ σου, 2 Kings 5:18).

2. by an Alexandrian usage, to expiate, make propitiation for (as ἐξιλάσκεσθαιin the O. T.): τάς ἁμαριτας, Hebrews 2:17(ἡμῶν τάς ψυχάς, Philo, alleg. leg. 3, 61). (Cf. Kurtz, Commentary on Hebrews, at the passage cited; Winer's Grammar, 227 (213); Westcott, Epistles of St. John, p. 83f.)

Strong’s Greek 2433 expresses the idea of turning away divine wrath by means of an accepted satisfaction, and thereby securing God’s favorable regard. Because Scripture never portrays God as capricious, propitiation is not a change in His character but the divinely ordained means by which His unchanging holiness and love meet in the forgiveness of sinners.



To be propitious means to appease the wrath of someone, so the question is who is being appeased, whose wrath and anger has been assuaged? In the biblical context, it is God the Father who is appeased by Christ’s propitious death.

It is an act, a transaction that is solely between the Father and the Son; the Son acts on behalf of mankind, but his actions effects the capacity of the Father to be gracious toward us. Thus, Strong’s defining
ἱλάσκω as “the divinely ordained means by which His unchanging holiness and love meet in the forgiveness of sinners.”

Forgiveness is the result of Christ’s propitiating death appeasing the Father’s wrath toward mankind. Propitiating is not forgiveness but the means whereby forgiveness can be given. And how is forgiveness given? “Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” (Acts 2:38)

Doug

I already know what merciful means in Heb 8:12 and it denotes both propitiation and forgiveness of sins

 

[TibiasDad]

I already know what merciful means in Heb 8:12 and it denotes both propitiation and forgiveness of sins

Not according to Strong….


Doug

 

[brightfame52]

Not according to Strong….


Doug

According to Gods word, hows that

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

And I didn't say that John Owens was wrong about everything.

I know you did not ~but, I must respectfully back out of this thread since I'm in battle in another thread with a couple of folks, one of which is so unreasonable and I cannot spend enough time here plus there plus starting another thread today that's almost ready to be started. Sorry. I'm reminded of what is written in Daniel 10:11-22~there's spiritual battles going on constantly in this world among the angelic host, and among God's children, and we as humans, are very limited as to how many battles we can fight at once, and do the job we need to do to the best of our God given abilities. I do not want to spread myself too thin, so I must return to the battle I'm now involved with.

 

[TibiasDad]

According to Gods word, hows that

God’s word agrees with Strong, and Strong agrees with God’s word! And I agree with both of them, so wherever two or three gather together and agree…

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

God’s word agrees with Strong, and Strong agrees with God’s word! And I agree with both of them, so wherever two or three gather together and agree…

Doug

I agree with Gods word, it has the final authority.

 

[TibiasDad]

I agree with Gods word, it has the final authority.

So do I…where does that leave us?

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

So do I…where does that leave us?

Doug

You just think you do lol However any reasonable soul can see that propitiation and forgiveness of sins are joined together in Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

 

[brightfame52]

So do I…where does that leave us?

Doug

Even being merciful/propitious to their unrighteousness denotes forgiveness of sins, what is unrighteousness but wickedness and sin 1 Jn 5 17

All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

 

[TibiasDad]

You just think you do lol However any reasonable soul can see that propitiation and forgiveness of sins are joined together in Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Sure they are, one leads to another. Jesus’s sacrifice gives God the means to forgive us of our sins. God cannot forgive without the blood. God doesn’t not forgive sans our belief in his promises and our corresponding repentance from our sinful behavior.

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Even being merciful/propitious to their unrighteousness denotes forgiveness of sins, what is unrighteousness but wickedness and sin 1 Jn 5 17

All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

No doubt, but propitiation leads to forgiveness being possible, it does not forgive.


Doug