praise_yeshua
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Now. Grace can not be discrimatory in application or it is no more Grace.
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Now. Grace can not be discrimatory in application or it is no more Grace.
brightfame52
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Oh no, Grace is strictly for a remnant in election Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7;What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
The election is given grace, the rest of mankind is blinded !
brightfame52
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Grace is applied only to the election of grace, the rest are blinded. See you haven't really had salvation by Grace preached to you.
Eternally-Grateful
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I was saved 45 years ago my friend.
Your pride is showing.. and your inability to listen to others and understand what they are saying is seriously lacking.
Eternally-Grateful
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yes
1. They are not the remnant, and not blinded in part
2. They were grafted in
3. they are the unnatural branch
4. They are not to boast (you know what you are doing)
Yes. so why are you boasting AGAINSDT Israel?
Paul took care of this in Romans 9 and 10
Eternally-Grateful
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DUDE! I AM NOT A JEW NORE AM I A PART OF NATIONAL ISRAEL
You have a serious hearing and comprehension problem
whatever dude. get off your high horse.
Eternally-Grateful
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No. God called them out of Egypt. Most of them were non believer
God then settles them in their land. they had a history of unbelief. but yet God kept his promise to them
You stuck on salvation
I am stuck on 2 different covenants which all are a part of the original covenant of Abraham
Eternally-Grateful
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Yep
I have the promise of eternal life. The promise of the seal of the spirit
The promise he will never leave nor forsake me. He will raise me to be with him, I will spend eternity with him.
you do not have any of these promises?
Eternally-Grateful
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Yes
grace is given to all
A plot of land in the middle east was given to the one (abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all their offspring as an eternal gift) which has nothing to do with the salvation of jew or gentile.
Eternally-Grateful
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No. I am not talking about eternal life
I believe when jesus returns. all israel will rep-ent and be saved, he will gather them to Israel
God will wipe out all evil (the flesh will feed on the flesh of the dead for a year0 and all that will be left is saved gentiles and saved jews.
Everyone at that time living will have professed Jesus as their lord.
Well God said otherwise
No it is not. God does not need a remant, gentile is not a nation. Israel is
You keep a remnant SO that the nation does not disapeear from off the face of the earth
yes. when God returns and destroys the final beast.
Yes.
But Israel still has people who come from the 12 sons. In fact. 144000 of them will become missionaries in the future.
They are not dead. God is not done with them, Thats what romans 11 is about. You should praise God. the world should praise God. he is a god who keeps his promises. and we know since he will keep his promise to them. He will keep his promise to us
Eternally-Grateful
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the calvinist has returned.
praise_yeshua
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I believed what you believed more than 30 years ago. I know the doctrine better than you do. I have lost many friends in this conversation. I know how to fight your unbelief. That is why they abandon the friendships we had.
I have no pride in this. I treat all men equally. You prefer Jews. Now tell me you don't. Tell me the Father does. I can have this argument in my sleep.
praise_yeshua
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Christ owns everything. That plot of land is going to burn in the fire........ It isn't Eternal. Abraham sought Eternal things....
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Again. Notice that word "day". Notice the word "days" in Zec. 14.
There will come a day, that all that land will be gone.
praise_yeshua
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Tell you what. I'll have video debate with you on this topic. Everyone can attend. We will see who knows what they're talking about.
Eternally-Grateful
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And this should bother or affect me how? I believe you have pretty much shown you do not even know what I believe. so I doubt you actually ever believed what i believe
Again, You have proven you do not even know what I believe. so how can you fight me? You can
once again, You do not even know what I believe
You have proven this
See, even in this comment, you say I prefer jews. Which is a lie. I never said this, or even insinuated this.
You can not argue against someone until you know what they believe
if you try, you just make a fool of yourself.
Eternally-Grateful
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yes he does. And in gen 15 and 17, He gave it to a nation of people. and he said it is theirss forever.
It will. agree. But until then, it belongs to a peop0le. who according to lev 26 is being punished right now because of their sin.
God said it is eternal. talk to him
Gen 15:
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
gen 17:
3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
again, just shows you do not understand the covenants of God. Nor what I believe
next...
Eternally-Grateful
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Your being destroyed here because you will not listen, and think you know what I beleieve.
If I was you I would stop worrying about trying to pump your pride. and worry about how to properly listen to people not with your bias, but with their own words.
praise_yeshua
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Then do the video. I will keep you anonymous. You can join from a anonymous YouTube account. I don't have time to deal with all these comments you're making. Stop claiming victory. That is nothing more than a debate tactic.
praise_yeshua
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Oh. There is that "forever" thing again.
So if it is about a patch of land in the middle east right now.... A patch of land that will not last forever.....
Then why are you making such silly arguments as this?
praise_yeshua
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Your theology is your theology. That theology prefers Jews. You are what you believe......
So lying that you don't prefer Jews doesn't change anything. Your teachings show that you do. I'll be glad to help you with understanding this in the video debate. Don't be a coward. Be a roaring lion.
