An Article on free will

[brightfame52]

Do you learn more of God as you live your life here? Does that change how you react to God?

Salvation is always about Grace. If it were not for Grace, salvation wouldn't even exist. The idea that Grace is only for a few is contrary to God's nature.

That Grace is limited to a remnant is what makes it Grace, and why Salvation by Grace is hated by most. Its limited to a remnant accorsing to the election of grace Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

 

[civic]

That Grace is limited to a remnant is what makes it Grace, and why Salvation by Grace is hated by most. Its limited to a remnant accorsing to the election of grace Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

That’s the Jews who are the remnant not the gentiles .

Next fallacy

 

[praise_yeshua]

Paul said clearly....

2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Notice it again. I have kept the faith.

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Notice again the "kept by the power of God through faith".

 

[praise_yeshua]

That Grace is limited to a remnant is what makes it Grace, and why Salvation by Grace is hated by most. Its limited to a remnant accorsing to the election of grace Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

You're deflecting.

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

That work in Romans 9:28 is the work of God in Christ Jesus. You know this. I wish you would quit repeating these lines your learned from Calvinists and grow up in Christ.

We are what matters in this. Us. We either are fruitful in sharing the Gospel and making disciples of Christ or we are not. That is what makes the difference. Christ has done His work. Now is it up to us.

You expect something for nothing. God wants all of you. ALL of you. Calvin has you now.....

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Calvinism didn't originate this belief. Neither did Augustine. Israel believed this long before anyone else.

I just am looking at scripture

Not what ISM might believe

Like Israel, they abandoned their faith. They were divorced and cast aside. Individually, those who keep the faith remained in fellowship with God.

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Would you disagree with Romans 11?

But the same author says God will restore isreal. and all israel will be saved

Israel as a whole did. Individually they didn't. There remained a remnant. The same is true today. That remnant is based upon the willingness of the slave.

Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

I've meet a few in my life that completely abandoned any sense of faith in Jesus Christ. Pastors. Teachers that were convinced by Satan to abandon God. They might "come back".... who knows.

the fact that God is keeping a remnant is a sign. No other nation which no longer exists was kept a remnant. God keeps a remnant because he has a promise he made to them. otherwise, he would just let them go like many other nations and people went, by the wayside. abrorbed by other nations.

I mean show me a Canaanite today. or a philistine.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Do you learn more of God as you live your life here? Does that change how you react to God?

Salvation is always about Grace. If it were not for Grace, salvation wouldn't even exist. The idea that Grace is only for a few is contrary to God's nature.

Grace is for the world. He died for the world.

PS. I reject calvinism and Armenian thrology.

if anything, I would be considered a 0 point Calvinist and possibly a 3 point Arminian

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That’s the Jews who are the remnant not the gentiles .

Next fallacy

romans 11 is about Israel.. amazed people can not get this

 

[praise_yeshua]

I just am looking at scripture

Not what ISM might believe

What do you mean by ISM?

But the same author says God will restore isreal. and all israel will be saved

Exactly. Like I said. You believe all Israel will be saved. The remnant is all that are saved. All Israel is all the nations of God under Christ. After all. He is the heir.... right? Why would you abandon your faith in Jesus Christ to embrace another?

the fact that God is keeping a remnant is a sign. No other nation which no longer exists was kept a remnant. God keeps a remnant because he has a promise he made to them. otherwise, he would just let them go like many other nations and people went, by the wayside. abrorbed by other nations.

No. The remnant is just that. Only a few. They are those who didn't bow to another god. They didn't abandon their faith. You know that is not true of every person you think Israel represents. Heavenly Israel is the nation of Christ.

I mean show me a Canaanite today. or a philistine.

Gentiles? Are you asking me to show you a Gentile? Do you really seriously believe there are no descendants of Canaan left?

 

[praise_yeshua]

romans 11 is about Israel.. amazed people can not get this

So Jesus isn't the King of Israel? I know you don't realize what you're saying.... but you're getting close to abandoning your King.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Grace is for the world. He died for the world.

PS. I reject calvinism and Armenian thrology.

if anything, I would be considered a 0 point Calvinist and possibly a 3 point Arminian

You say that but you believe otherwise. You believe all Israel will be saved and that Israel being referenced is exactly what?

Keep going with this. You're going to end up having to accept the Gospel. That is good.

 

[civic]

romans 11 is about Israel.. amazed people can not get this

Yes which would exclude us as the remnant in the passage. Basic comprehension 101

 

[praise_yeshua]

Do any of you realize why/what Jacob was called Israel?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes which would exclude us as the remnant in the passage. Basic comprehension 101

What is Israel in Jacob?

There will be a remnant out of Gentiles saved. Not Israel that exists today in the Middle East.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

What do you mean by ISM?

CalvinISM, ArminianISM, CatholicISM. lutheranISM etc etc

Exactly. Like I said. You believe all Israel will be saved.

well thaty is what the passage says, At that time, All alive who are of Israel will repent and be saved

The remnant is all that are saved.

At this time, we are not talking about this time we are talking about THAT time

All Israel is all the nations of God under Christ.

No. Because gentiles are not included.

After all. He is the heir.... right? Why would you abandon your faith in Jesus Christ to embrace another?

Yes.

But Gods makes promises and keeps them. why would you think God would not keep his promise?

No. The remnant is just that. Only a few. They are those who didn't bow to another god. They didn't abandon their faith. You know that is not true of every person you think Israel represents. Heavenly Israel is the nation of Christ.

Again, then.

RIGHT NOW there is a remnant

THEN (when the time of the gentile is fulfilled (ALL ISREAL - those who are blinded in part plus the remnant) will be saved

Gentiles? Are you asking me to show you a Gentile? Do you really seriously believe there are no descendants of Canaan left?

Canaanites lived in the middle east with the philistines. They lived in the land of Canaan (hence the name)

how about edomites? Have you spoken to any lately?

 

[civic]

What is Israel in Jacob?

There will be a remnant out of Gentiles saved. Not Israel that exist today in the Middle East.

Paul is appealing to his fellow countrymen in Roman’s 9-11.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So Jesus isn't the King of Israel? I know you don't realize what you're saying.... but you're getting close to abandoning your King.

what would make you think I think otherwise.

Romans 11 is about Israel. period

1. They are blinded in part
2. There is a remnant
3. THEY are natural branches
4 THEY will be saved when christ returns
THEY are hated concerning the gospel
THEY are beloved because of the promises

 

[praise_yeshua]

Paul is appealing to his fellow countrymen in Roman’s 9-11.

He is preaching the Gospel to Rome. Which includes Jews and Gentiles.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You say that but you believe otherwise. You believe all Israel will be saved and that Israel being referenced is exactly what?

They will be

read romans 11..

Keep going with this. You're going to end up having to accept the Gospel. That is good.

I accept the gospel

they will be saved when they repent..

do you study OT prophecy at all?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes which would exclude us as the remnant in the passage. Basic comprehension 101

if we are gentiles. no it does not include us.. God is not trying to keep the nations of Gentiles alive

 

[praise_yeshua]

what would make you think I think otherwise.

Romans 11 is about Israel. period

1. They are blinded in part
2. There is a remnant
3. THEY are natural branches
4 THEY will be saved when christ returns
THEY are hated concerning the gospel
THEY are beloved because of the promises

Israel is of God. Jacob was never called Israel until he wrestled with Jesus Christ.

Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.