An Article on free will

[Eternally-Grateful]

No it’s not offered to anyone, its given to the elect who Christ came to save. Nothing about salvation is ever offered, thats a doctrine of the devil

No

John 3 says the world. And it s=does not say everyone in the world will be saved, It says he was not sent to judge the world. But that through him the world MIGHT be saved (it is not a guarantee)

Stop adding to the word of God

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Faith comes because of Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through[because of] grace:
The word through is the prep dia and means:

1. through
   1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
      1. by reason of
      2. on account of
      3. because of for this reason
      4. therefore
      5. on this account

Once again, you can post the same stuff over and over, it wil not make you right

They believed through grace
For it is by GRACE (the means of) we have been saved (a completed action) THROUGH (on account of ) faith.

The same word is used. You have two passages using the same word contradicting each other.


On one had you have it saying we believed and were saved on account of grace

On the other hand we have paul saying we were saved by grace. On account of our faith’

You can;t have it both ways

Open you r mind for once. And you will see it

 

[brightfame52]

The gift is not grace the gift is eternal life.

And this gift which comes from grace is only given to those who believe

Its Both, Grace/Eternal life are Gifts and Faith

 

[brightfame52]

No

John 3 says the world. And it s=does not say everyone in the world will be saved, It says he was not sent to judge the world. But that through him the world MIGHT be saved (it is not a guarantee)

Stop adding to the word of God

Salvation, is never offered, grace is never offered eternal life isnt offered, its given

 

[Jim]

Just finished reading this book this week ~ an excellent book on the subject under consideration in this thread:

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/calvin/The Bondage and Liberation of t - John Calvin.pdf

With all due respect, and I know that you know I do respect you, I think you consider it an excellent book mainly because you agree with what it says about the subject.

 

[brightfame52]

Once again, you can post the same stuff over and over, it wil not make you right

They believed through grace
For it is by GRACE (the means of) we have been saved (a completed action) THROUGH (on account of ) faith.

The same word is used. You have two passages using the same word contradicting each other.


On one had you have it saying we believed and were saved on account of grace

On the other hand we have paul saying we were saved by grace. On account of our faith’

You can;t have it both ways

Open you r mind for once. And you will see it

Yeah its right, you denying it wont make it not right,
Faith comes because of Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through[because of] grace:
The word through is the prep dia and means:

1. through
   1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
      1. by reason of
      2. on account of
      3. because of for this reason
      4. therefore
      5. on this account

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Its Both, Grace/Eternal life are Gifts and Faith

Grace is offered to everyone

Eternal life is only given to some (those who believe

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yeah its right, you denying it wont make it not right,
Faith comes because of Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through[because of] grace:
The word through is the prep dia and means:

1. through
   1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
      1. by reason of
      2. on account of
      3. because of for this reason
      4. therefore
      5. on this account

It does not mean everyone given grace has faith

We are saved by grace through faith

Grace is offered to everyone. Eternal life or salvation is only given to those who recieve it in faith

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Salvation, is never offered, grace is never offered eternal life isnt offered, its given

Um, Salvation is offered all through the word of God

Again John 3 is your worse enemy, through the bronze serpent salvation was offered to all the people. Only those who had faith were saved

In the same manner, The cross is offered to all people. But only those who believe are saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Grace is offered to everyone

Eternal life is only given to some (those who believe

False on all accounts, Grace and eternal life are given Rom 12:3


For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

You are showing your lack of knowledge in these matters.

 

[brightfame52]

Um, Salvation is offered all through the word of God

Again John 3 is your worse enemy, through the bronze serpent salvation was offered to all the people. Only those who had faith were saved

In the same manner, The cross is offered to all people. But only those who believe are saved.

Salvation, is never offered, grace is never offered eternal life isn't offered, its given

 

[TibiasDad]

I'm curious, would you say that faith was an act of the will?

Of course, the will is, in one way or another, necessarily the foundation for every positive choice. Faith is an act of the entirety of the person. To trust completely is a form holistic practice.


Doug

 

[civic]

The gift is not grace the gift is eternal life.

And this gift which comes from grace is only given to those who believe

yes indeed

 

[civic]

Of course, the will is, in one way or another, necessarily the foundation for every positive choice. Faith is an act of the entirety of the person. To trust completely is a form holistic practice.


Doug

Amen !

As we know Jesus ties in our will, willingness directly with our faith- the will and faith go hand in hand together.

 

[civic]

With all due respect, and I know that you know I do respect you, I think you consider it an excellent book mainly because you agree with what it says about the subject.

Thats a given as no one but a jw would think the Watchtower magazine articles are good.

 

[Kermos]

Free will is what Scripture teaches.

Choose ye this day.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

YHWH God is never indicated as among the choices for a human's ability to "Choose ye this day" in Holy Scripture, but your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) thoughts that YHWH God is among the choices for a human's ability to "Choose ye this day" is your fraudulent Free-willian Philosophy - you are desperately denying the Word of God “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16).

Your lack of discernment remains evident.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GIVER OF LIFE AND UNDERSTANDING!!!

 

[Kermos]

"I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except because of Me" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 14:6).

 

[brightfame52]

Of course, the will is, in one way or another, necessarily the foundation for every positive choice. Faith is an act of the entirety of the person. To trust completely is a form holistic practice.


Doug

Then thats a work ! Jesus indicated that Abrahams Faith/believing was a work Jn 8:39

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. What are the works of Abraham ?

Also Abraham wasnt Justified by his works lest he boast Rom 4:2

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

 

[Dizerner]

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying

Then thats a work !

That's a non sequitur, the conclusion does not follow from the premises.

It would be like saying, "The sun is hot, therefore all cats are evil."

 

[TibiasDad]

Man naturally is spiritually dead to God, he is in the flesh. Now natural man has faith and trust generated for a god of his understanding, but that's worthless to God, because its of the flesh, which cannot please God as Spirit generated Faith does,

You are conflating faith/trust/belief, with understanding. Conviction of our sin changes our understanding of our reality in relation to God. With this new understanding we now have a decision to make regarding how to respond to this. Do we trust it or not?

Doug