An Article on free will

[brightfame52]

No, that's Preceding Grace offered to all.

False its the New Birth, Grace from Christs Death makes one alive from being dead in sin Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

 

[brightfame52]

We are saved by grace through faith not of works lest anyone should boast.

Can you possibly understand what this says?

It says we are saved by grace through faith. IOW while we are believing, not before. If we had not faith.. then we could not be saved through it.

I did not say this, Paul did.

Faith comes with Grace and the New Birth

 

[brightfame52]

@MTMattie

I did not say this, Paul did.

Yeah Paul said it, wrote it, but when did you start believing and understanding what Paul wrote ? Everything ive seen you post is directly in opposition to Paul's writings

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

No

llol. Then no one can help you

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Thats the New Birth. No spiritual choices until and after being born again, thats what grace and power Christs death merited for the elect.

John 3 says faith comes first.

Stop ignoring it

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

False its the New Birth, Grace from Christs Death makes one alive from being dead in sin Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Through faith eph 2: 8

 

[brightfame52]

llol. Then no one can help you

lol Except God, or you dont believe He can either

 

[brightfame52]

John 3 says faith comes first.

Stop ignoring it

Faith is a spiritual gift, a fruit of the Spirit duh al 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

And stop bearing false witness about Jn 3

 

[brightfame52]

Through faith eph 2: 8

Yeah Faith comes with Grace

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

lol Except God, or you dont believe He can either

Nwell he can but you have to repent first.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Faith is a spiritual gift, a fruit of the Spirit duh al 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

And stop bearing false witness about Jn 3

Lol

He died. So whoever believes will never perish, but live forever.

Faith is a trust. You trust God or self.

God did not set you up on some pedi stool and make you special..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yeah Faith comes with Grace

No. Grace comes because of faith

If you do not have faith, you will not recieve Grace

God will not force it on you

 

[Dizerner]

No. Grace comes because of faith

If you do not have faith, you will not recieve Grace

God will not force it on you

I kind of see it like a grace sandwich.

Some Grace -> Faith -> More Grace.

This is why we are given and gifted faith by the grace of God.

 

[civic]

Civc, I truly have no problem addressing any verse, for I know that the word of God has a perfect flow of truth the the scriptures cannot be broken, if a person can break another person argument, then that person does not have the truth.

Now if you quote a verse, the please quote it correctly, not doing so shows me that a person is corrupting scriptures to support their own biased teaching. The word of God said:

John 7:17​

“If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”

Doing the will of God and choosing of one's own fallen nature are two different things altogether ~ if a person chooses to do the will of God, then as I said above, that's the new man within them, not the old Adamic fallen nature that one is born with, for that is impossible according to the scriptures quoted above from Romans 8. Why do not you, or one of your friend address Romans 8:1-9?

There is no "fallen nature" in the passage mentioned so you are adding to the passage your presuppositions. And the context is Jesus in John 7 not Romans, . Lets stick to what Jesus taught in John 7.

 

[MTMattie]

Faith comes with Grace and the New Birth

Does not say that

 

[Duane]

I kind of see it like a grace sandwich.

Some Grace -> Faith -> More Grace.

This is why we are given and gifted faith by the grace of God.

Something has to happen for us to get faith. Maybe when we hear the truth of the gospel we get a taste of grace.

“Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ” (Romans 10:17).

It is the Word of God that produces faith. Any time the true gospel of Jesus is communicated, there is potential for faith.

 

[Dizerner]

It is the Word of God that produces faith.

Indeed, and let us give the Holy Spirit a little credit.

For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake. (1 Thess. 1:5 NKJ)

 

[brightfame52]

Lol

He died. So whoever believes will never perish, but live forever.

Faith is a trust. You trust God or self.

God did not set you up on some pedi stool and make you special..

Faith is a spiritual gift, a fruit of the Spirit duh al 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

 

[brightfame52]

No. Grace comes because of faith

If you do not have faith, you will not recieve Grace

God will not force it on you

Faith comes because of Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through[because of] grace:
The word through is the prep dia and means:

1. through
   
   1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
      
      1. by reason of
      2. on account of
      3. because of for this reason
      4. therefore
      5. on this account

 

[brightfame52]

Does not say that

It means that. Where does it come from ? Is it of yourself ?