praise_yeshua
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Do you pray like this? Is that how you talk to God? Has God not gifted you with understanding?
An Article on free will
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Do you pray like this? Is that how you talk to God? Has God not gifted you with understanding?
praise_yeshua
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More evil Calvinist tactics that prove they have no morality at all.....
You just keep ignoring all that I say. Just more selective quoting from you so you don't have to actually respond....
Too much for you. I can't drag you to Jesus. If I could, Jesus wouldn't want it.
brightfame52
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The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
brightfame52
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You present a false christ that cannot save, your saviour is your freewill, and thats a delusion friend
praise_yeshua
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One more time without my responses.......
praise_yeshua
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You're the one telling people that God can't save them.
You must not be aware of what Jesus actually said. He said HE would but they wouldn't. The issue is never with Jesus. It is with YOU.
Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and YOU would not!
civic
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You do know Paul is addressing the Jews under the law right ?
None is righteous under the law. The law revealed sin and was their schoolmaster to lead one to Christ.
Your abuse of scripture is duly noted.
praise_yeshua
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It is just keeps adding up.....
That is how Truth works. It just keeps agreeing and agreeing and agreeing with itself. You can fit what the average Calvinist preaches about God in a shoe box.
brightfame52
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The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
brightfame52
Well-known member
You present a false christ that cannot save, your saviour is your freewill, and thats a delusion friend
brightfame52
Well-known member
The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
MTMattie
Active member
As I said... you cannot understand because you have been blinded to the truth.
You cannot read 2 words and understand.
MTMattie
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The delusion is that your avatar looks like where they will spend eternity and not representative of a loving God or Jesus.
If I sound confused, you take it up with the Holy Spirit, if you dare
praise_yeshua
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I'm not trusting my freewill. I'm trusting Jesus Christ. As always, you're not dealing with anything I say.
MTMattie
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You keep repeating. Why? Would it be to remind yourself?
Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11.... Better include 3:10 with that.
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
You continue to quote There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
None???? Including you???
Are you certain that you are not a natural man????
Why don't you tell us all about your spiritual rebirth, and how the Holy Spirit convicted you?
civic
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Why did Jesus speak in parables if calvinism is correct ?
We hear this all of the time comparing mans unregenerate state to that of Lazarus in the tomb in reformed/calvinist teachings.
The fact is calvinism's view on dead is wrong otherwise there would be no need to hide it from them. Why does Jesus need to hide truth from a dead corpse ?
See the contradiction ?
See the oxymoron ?
See the calvinists dilemma ?
In the real world we call this though process cognitive dissonance, an inconsistent and contradictory belief. So much for total inability and Jesus need for parables. This is just another example of the inconsistent calvinist/reformed position. Why would God have to harden a dead corpse, a dead man having no ability to hear, see or perceive ?
hope this helps !
civic
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Let’s look at the uses of the term “DEAD” in the scripture for you to decide:
1) Jesus referred to the church in Sardis as “DEAD” and called them to “wake up” (Rev 3). Given Christ’s use of the idiomatic term “DEAD” in reference to this church, should we presume that his hearers cannot respond positively to Christ’s appeal in this passage as well?
2) The Prodigal was “DEAD/lost” then “alive/found” demonstrating that the term “DEAD” is idiomatic for “separated by rebellion” not “innate moral inability” (Luke 15:24).
3) “When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” – James 1:13-15
Are we born “DEAD” according to James? Or is DEATH birthed in those who sin after its “full grown?”
4) “What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.” – Romans 7:7-11
Are we born “DEAD” according to Paul? Or was it through the commandment, after “sin sprang to life” that DEATH came?
5) “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath…And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,” -Ephesians 2:1-3, 6
This passage says nothing about how or when they died, nor does it relate their condition to any type of innate moral inability.
It does say God raised them up with Christ. Is this meant to represent the special inner work of regeneration which effectually causes them to believe after they are raised up? Let’s observe what else Paul says about being raised up in Christ.
“In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which *you were also raised up with Him through faith* in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions” (Col. 2:11-13).
They were raised up THROUGH FAITH, not unto faith according to Paul.
Calvinists have the burden to produce just one clear biblical example of the term “DEAD” meaning “the moral incapacity to respond willingly to God from birth.”soteriology101
hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
Well-known member
The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
brightfame52
Well-known member
The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
civic
Well-known member
Repeating the same heresy doesn’t change anything as the readers can clearly see your view is unsubstantiated by Jesus as I have demonstrated.
hope this helps !!!
