An Article on free will

[brightfame52]

You added words to the Scriptures. Why did you do that? It doesn't matter what you think it should say. It only matters what it says. YOU are the problem here.

Hearing involves listening. Audibly hearing the Gospel doesn't mean that someone actually is listening to what is being said. Listening is natural. Not spiritual.

Hearing is natural and Spiritual, apparently you just have natural hearing, not Spiritual. Spiritual has with it understanding of spiritual things. Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

The word understandeth here συνίημι:

1. o set or bring together
   
   1. in a hostile sense, of combatants
2. to put (as it were) the perception with the thing perceived
   
   1. to set or join together in the mind
      
      1. i.e. to understand: the man of understanding
      2. idiom for: a good and upright man (having the knowledge of those things which pertain to salvation)

Yet the man by nature doesnt understand God nor seek Him Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Thats the same greek word in Matt 13:23, so man by nature cannot hear with Spiritual understanding and bear fruit, Spiritual fruit, you probably believe its natural fruit, like an apple lol

 

[praise_yeshua]

Hearing is natural and Spiritual, apparently you just have natural hearing, not Spiritual. Spiritual has with it understanding of spiritual things. Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

The word understandeth here συνίημι:



Yet the man by nature doesnt understand God nor seek Him Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Thats the same greek word in Matt 13:23, so man by nature cannot hear with Spiritual understanding and bear fruit, Spiritual fruit, you probably believe its natural fruit, like an apple lol

More games. It really is sad the evil you display by seeking to prevent others from coming to Christ.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

"Understanding has left sinners without an excuse".....

Unbelief comes from not trusting God with what is understood. Instead they trust and believed their own foolishness to the contrary.

 

[brightfame52]

You have rejected the Jesus that John the Beloved, Luke, Matthew, Mark, Paul and etc all preached.......

I reject the sorry jesus you testify to, that cant save unless man lets him

 

[brightfame52]

More games. It really is sad the evil you display by seeking to prevent others from coming to Christ.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

"Understanding has left sinners without an excuse".....

Unbelief comes from not trusting God with what is understood. Instead they trust and believed their own foolishness to the contrary.

The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I reject the sorry jesus you testify to, that cant save unless man lets him

Oh .... and you have that god that doesn't care enough about man to include understanding in human words.... right?

I wonder what the Gospel is. It is the very words of God in natural language that imparts knowledge itself.

Keep on repeating those 2 or 3 lines you have prepared. You don't know any better. I bet it is because God has blinded you..... right?

 

[praise_yeshua]

The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

There is another one of those repetitions..... You do realize that Pharisees love vain repetition. They included such in their prayers. Over and over again. The same things. God doesn't like that. It shows just how weak you are.

At a time you should be a teacher. You have need of a teacher....

Keep pretending I didn't say anything. That is how it works with people that chose not to actually listen. You just keep repeating what little you've chosen to listen to.

 

[MTMattie]

I have rejected the jesus you testify to, cant save nobody unless they let him

While you, on the other hand are forced to accept Jesus because it is out of your hands,

" predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that he would freely save some people (the elect),
foreordaining them to eternal life,

SOME... NOT ALL.

in the same way that the reprobate

"while the others (the reprobate) would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death"

Dont you ever wonder why it is that Jesus was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel and told his

Why did Jesus tell his Disciples to not go to the Gentiles? – Matthew 10:5​

After selecting twelve disciples, Jesus instructs them for their mission to the villages of Galilee. The first of these commands , Jesus restricts their mission to the Jews. They are not to go to Gentiles or Samaritans at all!

If "Predestination" was a fact and forever and ever we have all been told at one time or the other that the Jews were God's chosen...why would Jesus have had to be sent to find His lost sheep? Or the decuples to further teach His lost sheep?

It is just like when Moses came down from God on the mountain and found the people... " THE VERY CHOSEN"... were going their own way.
(Do you need a lesson on that?)

FREE WILL!... or perhaps they did not want to be saved?

 

[brightfame52]

Oh .... and you have that god that doesn't care enough about man to include understanding in human words.... right?

I wonder what the Gospel is. It is the very words of God in natural language that imparts knowledge itself.

Keep on repeating those 2 or 3 lines you have prepared. You don't know any better. I bet it is because God has blinded you..... right?

The jesus you present depends on the freewill of man to let him save you

 

[brightfame52]

There is another one of those repetitions..... You do realize that Pharisees love vain repetition. They included such in their prayers. Over and over again. The same things. God doesn't like that. It shows just how weak you are.

At a time you should be a teacher. You have need of a teacher....

Keep pretending I didn't say anything. That is how it works with people that chose not to actually listen. You just keep repeating what little you've chosen to listen to.

The natural man cannot hear spiritually and understand Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Man naturally doesnt understand Rom 3:11

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[civic]

You have rejected the Jesus that John the Beloved, Luke, Matthew, Mark, Paul and etc all preached.......

yep

 

[brightfame52]

@MTMattie

While you, on the other hand are forced to accept Jesus because it is out of your hands,

The Jesus I serve saved the people He came to save, its simple as that Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

They all saved, just need to hear about it by the Gospel

 

[MTMattie]

@MTMattie


The Jesus I serve saved the people He came to save, its simple as that Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

They all saved, just need to hear about it by the Gospel

Ill remind you His people were the Jews. He was sent for them. He sent His disciples to them.

So all the Jews were saved? .... OKAY! And they needed to hear about it?... OKAY!

But sure seems like a lot of them... His people... rejected what they heard.....so they , by their own Free Will, made a choice.

Same as Judas... who not only was one of His people... but also was hand picked for a mission because The Father and Son both knew by his own free will he would fulfill.

 

[civic]

Ill remind you His people were the Jews. He was sent for them. He sent Hos disciples to them.

So all the Jews were saved? .... OKAY! And they needed to hear about it?... OKAY!

But sure seems like a lot of them... His people... rejected what they heard.....so they , by their own Free Will, made a choice.

Same as Judas... who not only was one of His people... but also was hand picked for a mission because The Father and Son both knew by his own free will he would fulfill.

Ditto

 

[MTMattie]

Adding on to my reply # 5747 @brightfame52 ... just in case you already read it and miss my addon.

I had ended with "FREE WILL!... or perhaps they did not want to be saved?"

Just tossing this into the mix of other thoughts of banality.

If Jesus' own people rejected what He was promising, because they preferred their lives to not be so uprooted... it could kust be that knowing that
Adam did not die immediately meant that they really had nothing to worry about.

If Jesus told them they were saved but they had to "DO SOMETHING" like believe on/in Him for eternal life. and "turn" (repent).. could well be that
that a lot just figured they did not want that because of what they would loose... they would simply prefer to cease to exist...(die).

For many Jews today feel that is exactly what happens....

 

[brightfame52]

Ill remind you His people were the Jews. He was sent for them. He sent His disciples to them.

So all the Jews were saved? .... OKAY! And they needed to hear about it?... OKAY!

But sure seems like a lot of them... His people... rejected what they heard.....so they , by their own Free Will, made a choice.

Same as Judas... who not only was one of His people... but also was hand picked for a mission because The Father and Son both knew by his own free will he would fulfill.

The Jesus I serve saved the people He came to save, its simple as that Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

They all saved, just need to hear about it by the Gospel

 

[brightfame52]

Adding on to my reply # 5747 @brightfame52 ... just in case you already read it and miss my addon.

I had ended with "FREE WILL!... or perhaps they did not want to be saved?"

Just tossing this into the mix of other thoughts of banality.

If Jesus' own people rejected what He was promising, because they preferred their lives to not be so uprooted... it could kust be that knowing that
Adam did not die immediately meant that they really had nothing to worry about.

If Jesus told them they were saved but they had to "DO SOMETHING" like believe on/in Him for eternal life. and "turn" (repent).. could well be that
that a lot just figured they did not want that because of what they would loose... they would simply prefer to cease to exist...(die).

For many Jews today feel that is exactly what happens....

Man you sound too confused, may God help u

 

[praise_yeshua]

The jesus you present depends on the freewill of man to let him save you

He sure does. That is the way Jesus likes it. He doesn't find value in cardboard cutout puppets like yourself.

He desires freewill servants.....

Exo 21:1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
Exo 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
Exo 21:3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
Exo 21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
Exo 21:5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

Real servants have the opportunity to go FREE...... Yet they choose to stay with the Master.

Can you pay attention to what you read? If you will. It will change your life.....

Alias, I hope this "god" you serve hasn't chosen to blind you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Man you sound too confused, may God help u

Too much to consider? I get it.

It is too much for you to seek God... You need to be DRAGGED to God.

 

[brightfame52]

@praise_yeshua

He sure does.

Then he is a false christ that cannot save

 

[brightfame52]

Too much to consider? I get it.

It is too much for you to seek God... You need to be DRAGGED to God.

Yeah, all that scrabble dabble