An Article on free will

[praise_yeshua]

nowhere did Jesus say or imply Nicodemus was born again and in fact Jesus pointed out his need to be born again. Nic did not know what the new birth even was and Jesus had to explain it to him.

Way to TWIST scripture to fit into your self willed pharisaical self righteous and fatalistic/determinist theology.

no one was born again until Pentecost which Jesus and the Apostles taught in the New Testament.

next fallacy.................

conclusion: Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Fatalism is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

hope this helps !!!

My thoughts.... if they matter at all....

Nicodemus SHOULD have known. He didn't know but he should have known. We can know this because the narrative details it.

Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Part of the condemnation that existed in the teachings of Jesus toward those who heard was the fact they should have known what Jesus was telling them. Not all of what Jesus said.... but much if not most of what Jesus said.

They simply did not recognize them because of their unbelief. There is much ignorance in unbelief. Believing is accepting God for what He says even if you don't currently understand it. Believing requires that you not stay where you are at in understanding but empowers you to seek God. Those that seek...... find. It is the duty of all men to seek God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

When did the thief on the cross show he had belief/faith in who Jesus was.

It was before Jesus said he would be in Paradise that day... IOW saved.

There is this concept in this "silly game" they play where words don't actually mean anything.

Words in human languages through the preaching of the Gospel itself "enlightens". It gives information to the individual that they would not otherwise know. It is God's witness in humanity to all people. Some accept it. Many don't because they primarily only care about what they want. (Freedom of will).....

It is the responsibility of mankind to enlighten their fellowman and their own children with the Gospel. People go to hell because of Calvinists. They openly preach to them that they can't come to God. People believe them because of the words they speak. Calvinist have evil hearts. How can they help anyone?

 

[brightfame52]

Again, there is not natural trust and spiritual trust; there is trust or no trust! The object in which we trust can be natural or spiritual, but it is not a qualitatively different trust in itself. The focus of our trust is the difference! We trust in God, or we trust in something other than God. We believe God or something other than God.


Doug

Man naturally is spiritually dead to God, he is in the flesh. Now natural man has faith and trust generated for a god of his understanding, but that's worthless to God, because its of the flesh, which cannot please God as Spirit generated Faith does,

Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

None of the religious , sincere efforts of the unregenerate in the flesh, can please the True God,
However the Faith that comes with regeneration, pleases God Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

This Faith pleases God because its from God, the Spirit.

The Spirit makes a person alive to the True God, otherwise, dead in the flesh, that faith is worthless and dead to God, and cannot please God

 

[praise_yeshua]

Man naturally is spiritually dead to God, he is in the flesh. Now natural man has faith and trust generated for a god of his understanding, but that's worthless to God, because its of the flesh, which cannot please God as Spirit generated Faith does,

Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
None of the religious , sincere efforts of the unregenerate in the flesh, can please the True God,
However the Faith that comes with regeneration, pleases God Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

This Faith pleases God because its from God, the Spirit.

The Spirit makes a person alive to the True God, otherwise, dead in the flesh, that faith is worthless and dead to God, and cannot please God

The natural man can hear the Gospel. If you are saved, that is how you got saved. Through another man preaching to you natural words in human language.

1Co 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

When did the thief on the cross show he had belief/faith in who Jesus was.

It was before Jesus said he would be in Paradise that day... IOW saved.

Good question, obviously the thief on the cross was regenerated while on the cross and given Faith in Christ. Jesus because he was elect, and Christ was His Saviour

 

[praise_yeshua]

Good question, obviously the thief on the cross was regenerated while on the cross and given Faith in Christ. Jesus because he was elect, and Christ was His Saviour

Did the thief speak to Jesus? Did Jesus speak to the thief?

What you describe doesn't require any words between the two parties. Why are you ignoring this?

 

[civic]

Man naturally is spiritually dead to God, he is in the flesh. Now natural man has faith and trust generated for a god of his understanding, but that's worthless to God, because its of the flesh, which cannot please God as Spirit generated Faith does,

Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

None of the religious , sincere efforts of the unregenerate in the flesh, can please the True God,
However the Faith that comes with regeneration, pleases God Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

This Faith pleases God because its from God, the Spirit.

The Spirit makes a person alive to the True God, otherwise, dead in the flesh, that faith is worthless and dead to God, and cannot please God

We have already dismantled your unbiblical view of dead as Jesus refuted your false claims.

hope this helps !!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Good question, obviously the thief on the cross was regenerated while on the cross and given Faith in Christ. Jesus because he was elect, and Christ was His Saviour

Why are you preventing your fellowman from entering heaven? You're obviously a Pharisee

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

YOU are those like you..... prevent human beings from being saved.

 

[brightfame52]

@praise_yeshua

The natural man can hear the Gospel.

True but only naturally, not with Spiritual Hearing given by the Spirit. Thats what Scripture means when it says Matt 11:5

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. This scripture isnt talking about physical ears, but Spiritual ears. One has to be saved or of God to hear spiritually Jesus said Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth[Spiritually] God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[brightfame52]

Did the thief speak to Jesus? Did Jesus speak to the thief?

What you describe doesn't require any words between the two parties. Why are you ignoring this?

I just answered that, try reading with comprehension

 

[brightfame52]

We have already dismantled your unbiblical view of dead as Jesus refuted your false claims.

hope this helps !!!

You have only rejected truth

 

[civic]

You have only rejected truth

You have only rejected Jesus.

 

[MTMattie]

There is this concept in this "silly game" they play where words don't actually mean anything.

Words in human languages through the preaching of the Gospel itself "enlightens". It gives information to the individual that they would not otherwise know. It is God's witness in humanity to all people. Some accept it. Many don't because they primarily only care about what they want. (Freedom of will).....

It is the responsibility of mankind to enlighten their fellowman and their own children with the Gospel. People go to hell because of Calvinists. They openly preach to them that they can't come to God. People believe them because of the words they speak. Calvinist have evil hearts. How can they help anyone?

Perfect. Beautifully stated.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@praise_yeshua



True but only naturally, not with Spiritual Hearing given by the Spirit. Thats what Scripture means when it says Matt 11:5

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. This scripture isnt talking about physical ears, but Spiritual ears. One has to be saved or of God to hear spiritually Jesus said Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth[Spiritually] God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

You added words to the Scriptures. Why did you do that? It doesn't matter what you think it should say. It only matters what it says. YOU are the problem here.

Hearing involves listening. Audibly hearing the Gospel doesn't mean that someone actually is listening to what is being said. Listening is natural. Not spiritual.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I just answered that, try reading with comprehension

No you didn't. You claimed that natural words don't have any value unless God tells you what they mean.

Which is preposterous.

Take for example....

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

You actually believe these words have no value at all. What is there to understand about these words? You can take these words at "face value". All you have to do is understand ENGLISH......

Get it. ENGLISH. Knowing ENGLISH.... makes the difference. Not your silly games with "spiritual words".

You are the reason that people don't get saved. You tell people they can't believe what they hear. YOU are the evil person in this issue.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You have only rejected truth

Are you the one writing words in this forum or are they coming from the "hand of God" like the tablets of stone on Sinai?

 

[MTMattie]

You have only rejected Jesus.

When one is blinded to the truth they have no option but to reject it.

The question though is, are they blinded from self will in that they feel only they and possibly a handful of others understand as they do, and feel obligated to correct the world or could it be so simple as

Hebrews 5:11
We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain, because you are dull of hearing.

Isaiah 44:18
They do not comprehend or discern, for He has shut their eyes so they cannot see and closed their minds so they cannot understand.

Acts 28:26-27
‘Go to this people and say, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.” / For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

IOW, the four corners of the Holy Bible are filled with free will...

 

[brightfame52]

You have only rejected Jesus.

I have rejected the jesus you testify to, cant save nobody unless they let him

 

[praise_yeshua]

When one is blinded to the truth they have no option but to reject it.

The question though is, are they blinded from self will in that they feel only they and possibly a handful of others understand as they do, and feel obligated to correct the world or could it be so simple as

Hebrews 5:11
We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain, because you are dull of hearing.

Isaiah 44:18
They do not comprehend or discern, for He has shut their eyes so they cannot see and closed their minds so they cannot understand.

Acts 28:26-27
‘Go to this people and say, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.” / For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

IOW, the four corners of the Holy Bible are filled with free will...

Perfect example of understanding from preaching and the freewill of men to ignore it.

Stephen preached and the people understood exactly what he said. The fact they understood, is why they stopped up their own ears. They didn't want to hear it. They even yelled so loud that others couldn't hear what Stephen was saying.

Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have rejected the jesus you testify to, cant save nobody unless they let him

You have rejected the Jesus that John the Beloved, Luke, Matthew, Mark, Paul and etc all preached.......