civic
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spoken like a true fatalist.
An Article on free will
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Is. 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
This verse contains two sets of opposites (light-darkness and peace-evil). Since peace (shalom) means wholeness, welfare, peace, happiness, safety, etc., the "evil", in this context is the opposite from these things. This would include war, pestilence, natural disasters, sorrow, etc.; and these things would often (but not always) be punishments for sin; so, I see the "evil", in this verse, as having a range of applications.
Evil is probably a better translation than "calamity" here, since it encompasses more than calamities.
I believe fully in the sovereignty of God.
Arminius opposed Calvin, on several important points, as I'm sure you are aware.
civic
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Scripture contradicts your view and Gods Good name/character.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. God is Good, not evil. God does not temp or cause anyone to do evil. Let no one when he is tempted say I am tempted by God for God cannot be tempted with evil and temps no man. James 1:13
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress
From ra'a'; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral) -- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. Feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).
civic
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still he was a reformer.
a Dutch Reformed Pastor.
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Scripture does not contradict God's good name/character! I hope you simply worded that poorly.
I have already affirmed that God does not tempt or directly cause anyone to do evil; however, he does sometimes use evil agents to bring temptations. This is clearly stated in Scripture.
2 Chr. 18:18-21 (KJV)
18 Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.
19 And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.
20 Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
21 And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.
Yes, I know. What is your point?still he was a reformer.
civic
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That he was reformed in his theology
As usual you run away from God's word as fast as your legs can carry you! Here are the verses you are running away from because they prove that a Calvinist monergistic view of faith is a Dead Faith.
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Will you continue to 1) deny countless verses such as the verses I quoted and 2) to keep practicing your dead faith?
Run Kermos Run!
That's not even the paragraph I was talking about! This is what RB said which was what I commented on, right after his remarks:
RB is declaring that "you" (Nicodemus) is not the subject here. That places Nicodemus in a class by himself, apart from "a man". Basic English Grammar. Now if you want to backtrack from RB's statement then you have all the freedom in the world to do so.
So instead of addressing James 2:20,24, you run off to John 3:3 that does not even support your position at all. Let's look more closely at John 3:3. At what point does one begin to "see the Kingdom of God"? John 3:3 clearly says at the point when one is "born again".
(John 3:3) Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
By definition, when one is "born again" he becomes a "child of God" so the two states are synonymous.
John 1:12 clearly states that one becomes a child of God when he receives Christ and believes on His name.
(John 1:12) But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,
Conclusion: Belief in Christ precedes being born again. Calvinism comes crashing down before your very eyes in a big ball of fire.
civic
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The dodger as if he is the appointed arbitrator lolAs usual you run away from God's word as fast as your legs can carry you! Here are the verses you are running away from because they prove that a Calvinist monergistic view of faith is a Dead Faith.
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Will you continue to 1) deny countless verses such as the verses I quoted and 2) to keep practicing your dead faith?
Run Kermos Run!
That's not even the paragraph I was talking about! This is what RB said which was what I commented on, right after his remarks:
RB is declaring that "you" (Nicodemus) is not the subject here. That places Nicodemus in a class by himself, apart from "a man". Basic English Grammar. Now if you want to backtrack from RB's statement then you have all the freedom in the world to do so.
So instead of addressing James 2:20,24, you run off to John 3:3 that does not even support your position at all. Let's look more closely at John 3:3. At what point does one begin to "see the Kingdom of God"? John 3:3 clearly says at the point when one is "born again".
(John 3:3) Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
By definition, when one is "born again" he becomes a "child of God" so the two states are synonymous.
John 1:12 clearly states that one becomes a child of God when he receives Christ and believes on His name.
(John 1:12) But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,
Conclusion: Belief in Christ precedes being born again. Calvinism comes crashing down before your very eyes in a big ball of fire.
What that really means is that he used the Bible as his standard for doctrine, believed in justification by faith, accepted the Solas, recognised Roman Catholicism as the Whore of Babylon and the office of pope as the anti-Christ.
Again, what is your point?
That sounds remarkably like ad hom to me...
"Faith" without works is indeed dead, since genuine faith (the kind God gives) in Jesus Christ leads to good works. By their fruit you will know them.As usual you run away from God's word as fast as your legs can carry you! Here are the verses you are running away from because they prove that a Calvinist monergistic view of faith is a Dead Faith.
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Will you continue to 1) deny countless verses such as the verses I quoted and 2) to keep practicing your dead faith?
Run Kermos Run!
That's not even the paragraph I was talking about! This is what RB said which was what I commented on, right after his remarks:
RB is declaring that "you" (Nicodemus) is not the subject here. That places Nicodemus in a class by himself, apart from "a man". Basic English Grammar. Now if you want to backtrack from RB's statement then you have all the freedom in the world to do so.
So instead of addressing James 2:20,24, you run off to John 3:3 that does not even support your position at all. Let's look more closely at John 3:3. At what point does one begin to "see the Kingdom of God"? John 3:3 clearly says at the point when one is "born again".
(John 3:3) Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
By definition, when one is "born again" he becomes a "child of God" so the two states are synonymous.
John 1:12 clearly states that one becomes a child of God when he receives Christ and believes on His name.
(John 1:12) But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,
Conclusion: Belief in Christ precedes being born again. Calvinism comes crashing down before your very eyes in a big ball of fire.
You omitted John 1:13, which brings your claims crashing down before your very eyes, in a maelstrom of fiery flames.
John 1:12, 13 (W.E.B.)
12 But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name:
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Those who believe (present tense) in the Lord's name WERE (past tense) born of God. The having been born of God precedes believing in the Lord's name.
No wonder you omitted verse 13...
civic
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Man believes then God gives them the new birth"Faith" without works is indeed dead, since genuine faith (the kind God gives) in Jesus Christ leads to good works. By their fruit you will know them.
You omitted John 1:13, which brings your claims crashing down before your very eyes, in a maelstrom of fiery flames.
John 1:12, 13 (W.E.B.)
12 But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name:
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Those who believe (present tense) in the Lord's name WERE (past tense) born of God. The having been born of God precedes believing in the Lord's name.
No wonder you omitted verse 13...
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You omitted to mention the "received" portion of verse 12 which causes your claims to crash and burn."Faith" without works is indeed dead, since genuine faith (the kind God gives) in Jesus Christ leads to good works. By their fruit you will know them.
You omitted John 1:13, which brings your claims crashing down before your very eyes, in a maelstrom of fiery flames.
John 1:12, 13 (W.E.B.)
12 But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name:
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Those who believe (present tense) in the Lord's name WERE (past tense) born of God. The having been born of God precedes believing in the Lord's name.
No wonder you omitted verse 13...
(John 1:12) But as many as received (ἔλαβον) Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe (πιστεύουσιν) on His name,
"Received" in Greek is ἔλαβον which is aorist (past tense) and active. So we actively received Him (past tense) and were born of God (past tense). How did we receive him? Through belief which we continue to manifest in the present as mentioned in verse 12.
If Calvinists have any other way to actively receive Him, other than to believe in Him then, by all means, do tell us.
Now we know why you omitted to mention the "received" portion of verse 12....
You add your "God's Resistibly Earnable Grace" into the passage where your "God's Earnably Resistible Grace" is absent, so your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Holy Scripture as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:
| The Book of civic | The Book of Romans | |
| But of Israel He says, “All day long I have held out My resistible grace to a disobeying and contradicting people whom I created with the ability to choose to earn my resistible grace.” (civic 10:21) | But of Israel He says, “All day long I have held out My hands to a disobeying and contradicting people.” (Romans 10:21) |
According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.
Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.
This post is an integral continuation with:
- post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,026 - Hebrews 6:4-8 Exposes The Impossibility Of A Christian To Expose The Christ To Public Shame Despite Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,031 - You Declare The Almighty God Is Miserably Weak Per Your Heart's Rendition Of Luke 19:41 For Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,036 - You fallen away from God's Grace is not you fallen out of God's Grace in Galatians 5:4-7, so your self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is resistible and earnable fails to be your proof.
- post #5,045 - You believe Lord Jesus, who is Love, fails by your quoting of Hebrews 12:14-15 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,078 - You believe Almighty God, who is Love, fails by your quoting of 2 Corinthians 6:1 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,105 - Your perverted a warning into a binding judgment in Hebrews 10:29 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,132 - Your heart adulterates Hebrews 12:25's word "warns" into the word "condemns" As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,168 - You Added Free-will into Genesis 6:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,190 - Your Heart Revised History In 2 Chronicles 36:15-16 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,249 - Proverbs 29:1 Fails As A Proof Text For Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,327 - your Fallible Grace of God (Resistible Grace) is not in Isaiah 30:15 - so Your Fallible Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable is proven anti-truth.
- post #5,376 - your Failure Atonement of Christ is akin to your Fallible Grace of God (Resistible Grace) as your adulteration of Isaiah 65:2 Shows.
- post #5,394 - You confuse God's patience with God's grace per Jeremiah 35:15 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,396 - The uncircumcised in heart are the same as people not born of God, so God did not give God's Unearned Grace to those people recorded in Acts 7:51 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,416 - You add "grace" and "free-will" into Acts 13:46 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN KING JESUS CHRIST!!!
civic
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Your testimony is man is not Loved of God because God chooses to hate and condemn them. Fatalism . Your god is hate, not Love.
So, according to you, the old, sinful, light-hating, God-hating, proud, rebellious nature trusts in the Lord whom it hates and rebels against, then the nature is changed into a soft, willing one. Pull the other leg, it has bells on it.
We were born again, and, as a consequence of that new, soft heart/spirit, we received him (i.e. believed in him). It's not rocket science.You omitted to mention the "received" portion of verse 12 which causes your claims to crash and burn.
(John 1:12) But as many as received (ἔλαβον) Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe (πιστεύουσιν) on His name,
"Received" in Greek is ἔλαβον which is aorist (past tense) and active. So we actively received Him (past tense) and were born of God (past tense). How did we receive him? Through belief which we continue to manifest in the present as mentioned in verse 12.
If Calvinists have any other way to actively receive Him, other than to believe in Him then, by all means, do tell us.
Now we know why you omitted to mention the "received" portion of verse 12....
