I was well aware that the Hebrew word means evil, in different senses in different contexts. The semantic range of the word includes moral evil and calamities (what you might call physical evil).
An Article on free will
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You believe that I live in "denial of God's word".
The Apostle John's injunction is "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1), so you and I can be tested.
I believe in the Word of God, and I believe the following quotes shown in red are the Truth (John 14:6)
When Lord Jesus says "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), then He includes "the ability to believe" because the "the ability to believe" is something, yet you wrote "John 15:5 speaks of the believers walk not the ability to believe" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:
| TomL's Self-exaltation | Exaltation of Christ | |
| I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for you can choose to believe in me apart from Me (TomL 15:5). | I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5). |
Moreover, you do not believe Jesus (John 5:45-47) when He says "see" (John 3:3) as can be seen in when you wrote "John 3:3 speaks of on experiencing the kingdom of God not seeing it" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:
| The word of TomL | The Word of God | |
| Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot experience yet he can see the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3). | Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3). |
You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you preach and teach and believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).
You label "nonsense" the very Word of God, yet no Christian calls Christ's sayings your "nonsense" (proof post #5,244).
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE GOD - THE GIVER OF LIFE AND SIGHT!!!
Verses John 2:20,26 prove that a Calvinist monergistic view of faith is a Dead Faith.
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Will you continue to 1) deny countless verses such as the verses I quoted and 2) to keep practicing your dead faith?
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civic
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Amen
MTMattie
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Calvin is/was a dunce... but with extreme abilities to draw the unsuspecting into his beliefs.
However.... no one should hang their hat on on John 2 : 20,26 faith without works is dead
Eph 2: 8-9 clearly state.
8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
A few verses about Salvation ( not justification ) by faith alone.
Most Relevant Verses
Acts 16:31
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Luke 7:50
And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
1 John 5:4
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
John 3:15
so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 5:24
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
John 20:31
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
1 Peter 1:9
obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Luke 8:12
Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.
Romans 9:32
Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
Romans 4:14
For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;
No one should stop short of harmonizing all of the verses that we both quoted. Harmonizing them all will lead you to a Synergistic understanding of faith and good works which is an abomination to all monergists like @Kermos.
Arminius' view of Calvin's teaching ability:
"So far from this, after the reading of Scripture, which I strenuously inculcate, and more than any other (as the whole university, indeed, the conscience of my colleagues will testify) I recommend that the Commentaries of Calvin be read, whom I extol in higher terms than Helmichius . . . himself, as he owned to me, ever did. For I affirm that in the interpretation of the Scriptures Calvin is incomparable, and that his Commentaries are more to be valued than anything that is handed down to us in the writings of the Fathers—so much so that I concede to him a certain spirit of prophecy in which he stands distinguished above others, above most, indeed, above all. His Institutes, so far as respects Commonplaces, I give out to be read after the [Heidelberg] Catechism. . . . But here I add—with discrimination, as the writings of all men ought to be read"
[Arminius; cited in Bangs, “Arminius As a Reformed Theologian,” 216; cited in Pinson, “Will the Real Arminius Please Stand Up?,” 123.]
Arminius and Calvin: Partners in Reform - Helwys Society Forum
It does not take long to sense the palpable tension between Calvinism and Arminianism. A brief overview of seminaries, blogs, and ministerial organizations shows that countless people divide along the lines drawn by these two theologies. Followers of both Calvin and Arminius have applauded them...
www.helwyssocietyforum.com
MTMattie
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I simply do not care about Calvin's teaching abilities. He did have the ability to draw the unsuspecting into his beliefs.
And I have read and studied more on him then I care to remember. My church is firmly affixed to his teachings, those they do not credit him so much as pre-destination and what is reported in the Westminster Confession.
And one of those beliefs he taught is.... https://thegenevanfoundation.com/john-calvin-on-infant-baptism/
John Calvin on “Infant Baptism”
“Reason would tell us that baptism is rightly administered to babies. The Lord did not give circumcision long ago without making them (infants) partakers of everything represented by circumcision. He would have been deceiving his people with a sham, if he had reassured them with false signs. The idea is very shocking. He distinctly states that the circumcision of the infant is the seal of covenant promise. If the covenant remains firm and unmoved, this is just as relevant to the children of Christians today as it was to the children of the Jews under the Old Testament…The truth of baptism applies to infants, so why do we deny them the sign? The Lord himself formally admitted infants to his covenant, so what more do we need?”
John Calvin, Institutes of the christian religion, 4:16:5 (Beveridge Edition)
And just this morning was our 3rd Sunday of the last 4 that my church held an infant baptism... with all the talk of it being proper to to admit the babe into the new covenant that we enjoy. And that is why we call it a sacrament.
And Calvin did not get that from the scriptures... though he was dead about a 100 years or so before the Westminster Confession came into being. Proving he has great staying power.
I'm not a follower of Calvin myself (although I do agree with him about some things); I simply wanted to show that even his opponents regarded his teaching ability very highly indeed. He was definitely not a "dunce"!
Calvin was wrong about infant baptism.
civic
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Yes there is a particular group that cannot
Salutations, DavidTree and Watchman,
I suspected both of you knew that the Hebrew word of רָע (Strong's Hebrew: 7451. רָע (ra') -- Evil, bad, wicked, harmful, unpleasant) is the source word "calamity" in some English translations of Isaiah 45:7.
Watchman, your response about semantic range leads to a follow-up question to you. Do you believe that the Word of God is exclusively referring to (1) physical "calamity" or (2) spiritual "calamity" or (3) both physical and spiritual "calamity" as recorded in Isaiah 45:7?
Watchman, the word "calamity" diminishes the intensity of the Lord God Almighty's declaration with the result that man demotes God off of His Sovereign throne while exalting the sovereignty of man by way of man restricting the Word of God to physical "calamity". The proper word translation requires the central semantic concept be maintained, which is the concept of "evil", because this word conveys the sense that God intends by the Hebrew word רָע (Strong's Hebrew: 7451. רָע (ra') -- Evil, bad, wicked, harmful, unpleasant).
The Apostle Paul wrote "we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28), and you paraphrased Paul's writing not long ago in this thread.
DavidTree, I look forward to your further development of which you refer in "until responses were gathered".
To God be the glory forever and ever,
Kermos
civic
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more fatalism at work- ye knoweth not of what you speaketh.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. God is Good, not evil. God does not temp or cause anyone to do evil. Let no one when he is tempted say I am tempted by God for God cannot be tempted with evil and temps no man. James 1:13
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress
From ra'a'; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral) -- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. Feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).
conclusion: a wicked heart accuses God of evil. For out of the heart comes all sorts of evil-wickedness declares Jesus. you describe a pagan god, a god of the greeks and gnostics.a false god, an idol- idolatry a god after ones own image and likeness. the worship of a false god.
hope this helps !!!
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civic
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ditto
civic
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arminius was reformed lol no surprise there.
civic
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more fatalism at work- ye knoweth not of what you speaketh.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. God is Good, not evil. God does not temp or cause anyone to do evil. Let no one when he is tempted say I am tempted by God for God cannot be tempted with evil and temps no man. James 1:13
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress
From ra'a'; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral) -- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. Feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).
conclusion: a wicked heart accuses God of evil. For out of the heart comes all sorts of evil-wickedness declares Jesus. you describe a pagan god, a god of the greeks and gnostics.a false god, an idol- idolatry a god after ones own image and likeness. the worship of a false god.
hope this helps !!!
You add "grace" and "free-will" into the passage where both "grace" and "free-will" are absent, so your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Holy Scripture as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:
| The Acts of civic | The Acts of the Holy Spirit | |
| Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the Grace of God be delivered to you first; since you can free-will choose to allow the Grace of God into your heart, yet you reject it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. (civic 13:46) | Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the Word of God be spoken to you first; since you reject it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. (Acts 13:46) |
According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.
Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.
This post is an integral continuation with:
- post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,026 - Hebrews 6:4-8 Exposes The Impossibility Of A Christian To Expose The Christ To Public Shame Despite Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,031 - You Declare The Almighty God Is Miserably Weak Per Your Heart's Rendition Of Luke 19:41 For Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,036 - You fallen away from God's Grace is not you fallen out of God's Grace in Galatians 5:4-7, so your self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is resistible and earnable fails to be your proof.
- post #5,045 - You believe Lord Jesus, who is Love, fails by your quoting of Hebrews 12:14-15 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,078 - You believe Almighty God, who is Love, fails by your quoting of 2 Corinthians 6:1 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,105 - Your perverted a warning into a binding judgment in Hebrews 10:29 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,132 - Your heart adulterates Hebrews 12:25's word "warns" into the word "condemns" As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,168 - You Added Free-will into Genesis 6:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,190 - Your Heart Revised History In 2 Chronicles 36:15-16 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,249 - Proverbs 29:1 Fails As A Proof Text For Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,327 - your Fallible Grace of God (Resistible Grace) is not in Isaiah 30:15 - so Your Fallible Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable is proven anti-truth.
- post #5,376 - your Failure Atonement of Christ is akin to your Fallible Grace of God (Resistible Grace) as your adulteration of Isaiah 65:2 Shows.
- post #5,394 - You confuse God's patience with God's grace per Jeremiah 35:15 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,396 - The uncircumcised in heart are the same as people not born of God, so God did not give God's Unearned Grace to those people recorded in Acts 7:51 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN KING JESUS CHRIST!!!
civic
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a wicked heart accuses God of evil. For out of the heart comes all sorts of evil-wickedness declares Jesus. you describe a pagan god, a god of the greeks and gnostics.a false god, an idol- idolatry a god after ones own image and likeness. the worship of a false god.
hope this helps !!!
DavidTree
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i confess that in my sorrows and pain i have had a wicked heart
Thank You FATHER for giving us your SON
Thank You LORD Jesus Christ for fulfilling what no man could and dying for our/my sins.
Thank You HOLY SPIRIT for leading me into all TRUTH
civic
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yes the heart is desperately wicked apart from Christ producing a new heart in us after we believe the gospel and are regenerated.
I told you before, and I'm telling you again. If you want me to even consider addressing your points, then you need to apologize to Red Baker for your long standing and repeated position of bearing false witness against him as shown per the below.
Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse to apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:
Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE BE TO GOD FOR CHRIST’S SALVATION!!!
