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civic said:
There are 7 gardening’s between exodus 7-9. They begin with him hardening his own heart.

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To address the issue of Pharaoh's heart hardening in the context of God's involvement, an exegetical analysis with Hebrew and Scripture references is crucial. Here is an explanation incorporating relevant biblical passages:
Exegetical Analysis with Hebrew and Scripture References:
Pharaoh's Hardened Heart:
The Hebrew word for "harden" in the context of Pharaoh's heart is "חָזַק" (chazaq), which can imply strengthening or making firm

In Exodus 7-9, there are instances where Pharaoh hardens his own heart before God intervenes

God's Role in Hardening:
Exodus 4:21 states, "But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go."

This indicates God's active involvement in the hardening of Pharaoh's heart

Romans 9:17-18 further elucidates this, emphasizing God's sovereignty in showing mercy or hardening hearts for His purposes

Purpose of Hardening:

The hardening of Pharaoh's heart serves a dual purpose: to display God's power and to fulfill His plan of deliverance for the Israelites.

Through Pharaoh's hardened heart, God demonstrates His supremacy over all powers, including human will.
Interpretation:

The hardening of Pharaoh's heart showcases God's justice, sovereignty, and the fulfillment of His divine plan rather than implying moral wrongdoing on God's part.
It highlights the contrast between human resistance and God's ultimate authority in bringing about His redemptive purposes.

In conclusion, the hardening of Pharaoh's heart involves a complex interplay between human agency and divine sovereignty, illustrating God's supremacy and His ability to work through even hardened hearts to accomplish His will.

Source: Lexicon Search Result

Source: Biblical Account

Exodus 4:21 (NIV)

Romans 9:17-18 (NIV)
Purpose of Hardening Theological Implications Divine Justice Contrast and Authority

J.
 
civic said:
There are 7 gardening’s between exodus 7-9. They begin with him hardening his own heart.

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When Paul made reference to God hardening hearts, he wrote about God doing the hardening and not pharoah, that was preeminent on his mind Rom 9:14-19

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”

Pharoah couldnt do nothing else but harden his own heart because it was in accordance with Gods will of hardening him,

Thats why Paul anticipates objections of men saying, thats not fair. Or why then should God find fault with a person disobeying if He determined it ?
 
@Johann

In Exodus 7-9, there are instances where Pharaoh hardens his own heart before God intervenes
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False, he did it because God had said I will harden his heart back in Ex 4, 4 comes before 7-9 duh

Ex 7:13,22

And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the Lord had said.
Ex 8:15,19

But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

All hardening, God was the first cause
 
brightfame52 said:
Lol funny. It means 4 comes before 7, all subsequent hardenings are the effects of the first. What you think God looked into chapter seven first then wrote in chapter 4, Im going to harden his heart.
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When Moses first called on Pharaoh to let Israel go, he responded with, “Who is the LORD, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD and I will not let Israel go” (Exodus 5:2). While this verse says nothing specific about Pharaoh's heart being hard, it does show that Pharaoh was unwilling to listen to what God had to say. The scene was set here with Pharaoh setting himself up in opposition to God.

In Exodus 8:15, 32; and 9:34, we are told explicitly that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. There are several other passages in this account, like Exodus 7:13, where we see that Pharaoh's heart became hard, but with no reference as to who was responsible.




And yet other passages speak of Pharaoh's resistance to God. In Exodus 3:19, God made clear to Moses “that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him.” Exodus 7:14 says that Pharaoh's heart was unyielding and that he would refuse to let Israel go. And Exodus 13:15 says that Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let Israel go. You might understand Pharaoh's stubbornness to be a consequence of God’s hardening. But I believe it is more likely that these passages describe Pharaoh's own hardness of heart.Biblestudytools.

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civic said:
When Moses first called on Pharaoh to let Israel go, he responded with, “Who is the LORD, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD and I will not let Israel go” (Exodus 5:2). While this verse says nothing specific about Pharaoh's heart being hard, it does show that Pharaoh was unwilling to listen to what God had to say. The scene was set here with Pharaoh setting himself up in opposition to God.

In Exodus 8:15, 32; and 9:34, we are told explicitly that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. There are several other passages in this account, like Exodus 7:13, where we see that Pharaoh's heart became hard, but with no reference as to who was responsible.




And yet other passages speak of Pharaoh's resistance to God. In Exodus 3:19, God made clear to Moses “that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him.” Exodus 7:14 says that Pharaoh's heart was unyielding and that he would refuse to let Israel go. And Exodus 13:15 says that Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let Israel go. You might understand Pharaoh's stubbornness to be a consequence of God’s hardening. But I believe it is more likely that these passages describe Pharaoh's own hardness of heart.Biblestudytools.

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4 before 7
 
Presby02 said:
What does Exodus 4:21 say again? Should I quote it or are you good?
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Does exodus 3 come before 4?

When Moses first called on Pharaoh to let Israel go, he responded with, “Who is the LORD, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD and I will not let Israel go” (Exodus 5:2). While this verse says nothing specific about Pharaoh's heart being hard, it does show that Pharaoh was unwilling to listen to what God had to say. The scene was set here with Pharaoh setting himself up in opposition to God.

In Exodus 8:15, 32; and 9:34, we are told explicitly that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. There are several other passages in this account, like Exodus 7:13, where we see that Pharaoh's heart became hard, but with no reference as to who was responsible.

And yet other passages speak of Pharaoh's resistance to God. In Exodus 3:19, God made clear to Moses “that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him.” Exodus 7:14 says that Pharaoh's heart was unyielding and that he would refuse to let Israel go. And Exodus 13:15 says that Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let Israel go. You might understand Pharaoh's stubbornness to be a consequence of God’s hardening. But I believe it is more likely that these passages describe Pharaoh's own hardness of heart.
 
brightfame52 said:
More slander and blasphemy
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You failed to address the argument

Your theology makes God a God of deception

Very few if any Christians will admit their theology is perfect and there are no errors in it

If God through exhaustive Devine determinism determines everything then God determined his children should be deceived

That would make God a God of deception

If however one holds God is not a God of deception

Then God did not determine his children be deceived

Therefore exhaustive divine determination is false

Tim Straton
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civic said:
Does exodus 3 come before 4?

When Moses first called on Pharaoh to let Israel go, he responded with, “Who is the LORD, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD and I will not let Israel go” (Exodus 5:2). While this verse says nothing specific about Pharaoh's heart being hard, it does show that Pharaoh was unwilling to listen to what God had to say. The scene was set here with Pharaoh setting himself up in opposition to God.

In Exodus 8:15, 32; and 9:34, we are told explicitly that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. There are several other passages in this account, like Exodus 7:13, where we see that Pharaoh's heart became hard, but with no reference as to who was responsible.

And yet other passages speak of Pharaoh's resistance to God. In Exodus 3:19, God made clear to Moses “that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him.” Exodus 7:14 says that Pharaoh's heart was unyielding and that he would refuse to let Israel go. And Exodus 13:15 says that Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let Israel go. You might understand Pharaoh's stubbornness to be a consequence of God’s hardening. But I believe it is more likely that these passages describe Pharaoh's own hardness of heart.
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Yup, where does it mention hardening in Exodus 3?
 
civic said:
Does exodus 3 come before 4?

When Moses first called on Pharaoh to let Israel go, he responded with, “Who is the LORD, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD and I will not let Israel go” (Exodus 5:2). While this verse says nothing specific about Pharaoh's heart being hard, it does show that Pharaoh was unwilling to listen to what God had to say. The scene was set here with Pharaoh setting himself up in opposition to God.

In Exodus 8:15, 32; and 9:34, we are told explicitly that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. There are several other passages in this account, like Exodus 7:13, where we see that Pharaoh's heart became hard, but with no reference as to who was responsible.

And yet other passages speak of Pharaoh's resistance to God. In Exodus 3:19, God made clear to Moses “that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him.” Exodus 7:14 says that Pharaoh's heart was unyielding and that he would refuse to let Israel go. And Exodus 13:15 says that Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let Israel go. You might understand Pharaoh's stubbornness to be a consequence of God’s hardening. But I believe it is more likely that these passages describe Pharaoh's own hardness of heart.
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Do you ever remember making such empty arguments when you were a Calvinist? I've never seen such silliness as this.
 

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