An Article on free will

Still repeating your view

still ignoring the evidence

not addressing


1 parallel biblical texts

2 Contrary lexical data

3 Commentary contrary to your view

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/an-article-on-free-will.1287/post-98763

Lord Jesus Christ causes me to proclaim the Truth (John 14:6).

Your thoughts are anti-truth.

Your posted thoughts show that you believe in the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) shown in the below left hand wrong side instead of the pure and Holy Word of God in the below right hand Righteous side:
The traditions of men The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, before one is born again he can see the Kingdom of God
(TomL 3:3)
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God.
(Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)
In Truth (John 14:6), Lord Jesus delays discussion of enter until later in His dialog with Nicodemus (see John 3:5-8) as a different condition than see, so the Word of God focuses on a man's inability to perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God (see John 3:3).

As a result of your Calvinism, you adulterate the Word of God into your Book of Free-willians:
The Book of Free-willians The Word of God
That which is born of the flesh profits the flesh unto being born of the Spirit
(TomL 3:6)

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit (John 3:6)
See, the King of Glory contrasts flesh from the Spirit as recorded in John 3:6 because Christ says "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life" (John 6:63).

Your adulteration of Holy Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts (proof post #2,121):
The word of TomL The Word of God
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
(TomL 6:29)
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
(John 6:29)
And so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again and again and again.

As for your heart's treasure of the word "experience" substituting as a synonym for Christ's "see" in John 3:3, please see this post #2,813 to @Rockson.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIVING LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!
 
Civic you had better hope that God grants repentance and faith, or else, there is no hope for any of us, none whatsoever. The reason being is this: all are without strength (spiritual to do good) to help themselves, being under the power of sin and the devil himself.

Christ died for us while we were unable to obey Him, and without ability to save ourselves, from anything within ourselves. This weakness or inability is no doubt sinful; but it is our inability, not our guilt, that the Apostle here designates. When we were unable to keep the law of God, or do anything towards our deliverance from Divine wrath, Christ interposed, and died for those whom He came to redeem.

The rest of chapter five Paul will prove his point by teaches us that we were given the righteousness of God based upon the obedience of one person, that is Christ, not one thing did we did to earn the free gift of life, not one~or else it ceases to be a gift, but a debt God owes man! If a debt owed, then Christ died in vain.

Galatians 2:21​


“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

The law in this verse means any commandment that said..... "This DO and live, sin, and died."
So, you say there is not one scripture which teaches that faith and repentance is ever given to unbelieving, reprobate, God hating sinner.

Philippians 1:29​


“For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;”

civic, this scriptures is so clear, that it is impossible to escape its teachings, unless one is hellbent on pushing is bias position above the word of God.

I have more, but I'm going to keep this post as short as possible, thinking much more will be said.

Let us consider the subject of repentance being a work of the sinner who at enmity against God, or, a gift given to God's elect, or I could say the fruit of the new man that God created within his elect. Either or, both are true.

The Author and efficient cause of repentance is not man himself, but God; “then hath God also granted repentance to the Gentiles” (Acts 11:18), it is not in the power of man to repent of himself, for he is by nature blind, and has no sight and sense of sin; his understanding is darkened with respect unto it, and he is darkness itself till made light in the Lord; and until he has a sight and sense of sin he can never truly repent of it; his heart is hard and obdurate, his heart is an heart of stone, and he cannot really repent of sin until that stony heart is taken away, and an heart of flesh is given; and whenever he becomes sensible of his need of repentance, he prays to God for it, saying, “Turn thou me, and I shall be turned”: nor do exhortations to repentance suppose it in the power of man to repent of himself; since these are only designed to bring him to a sense of his need of it, and of his obligation to it, and of his impotence to it of himself through the hardness of his heart, and to direct him to seek it of God, who only can give it. But only those who have been called into this grace, have the power and the desire to repent, but not until then. It is a gift of the new covenant of grace. Hebrews 8:10-13.

The sole efficient cause and author of repentance is God, Father, Son, and Spirit. God the Father, “if God peradventure will give them repentance” (2 Tim. 2:25). Christ, the Son of God, as mediator, is exalted “to give repentance unto Israel, and forgiveness of sins” (Acts 5:31), and the Spirit of God reproves for sin, convinces of it, and works repentance for it (John 16:8).

The moving cause of it is the free grace of God; it is a grant and favour from him, a gift of Christ, which he, as a prince and a savior bestows (Acts 11:18; 5:31), and an operation of the power and grace of the Spirit of God, and entirely flows from the sovereign will and mercy of God, “who hath mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth” (Rom. 9:18), not giving grace to repent.

Close for now with this wonderful scripture that sums it up so beautifully: biblical repentance, in the exercise of it, follows upon real conversion and divine instruction,.....

“Surely after that I was turned I repented, and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.” (Jeremiah 31:19)....

Upon such a turn as is made by powerful and efficacious grace, and upon such instruction as leads into the true nature of sin, the effect of which is blushing shame and confusion. All of God's children said...AMEN, and AMEN.
All believers, Gods chosen above not reprobates. Thanks for proving my point.
 
All believers, Gods chosen above not reprobates. Thanks for proving my point.
civic, I never called God's elect reprobates, those were your words concerning sinners.

I agree God's chosen people are not reprobates, and those that are reprobates, cannot beleive! So there.

Did I make myself clear to you? Of course I did~now, you can take my words and put any spin on them as corrupt politicians are known for, but, I expect better from you.

Btw, is this all you have to offer concerning my post, I did say a lot about what you said is not in the scriptures, please address my points.

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civic, I never called God's elect reprobates, those were your words concerning sinners.

I agree God's chosen people are not reprobates, and those that are reprobates, cannot beleive! So there.


Did I make myself clear to you? Of course I did~now, you can take my words and put any spin on them as corrupt politicians are known for, but, I expect better from you.

Btw, is this all you have to offer concerning my post, I did say a lot about what you said is not in the scriptures, please address my points.

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God never gives faith to lost sinners who are children of wrath.
 
civic, I never called God's elect reprobates, those were your words concerning sinners.

I agree God's chosen people are not reprobates, and those that are reprobates, cannot beleive! So there.


Did I make myself clear to you? Of course I did~now, you can take my words and put any spin on them as corrupt politicians are known for, but, I expect better from you.

Btw, is this all you have to offer concerning my post, I did say a lot about what you said is not in the scriptures, please address my points.

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those who come to the Son and are drawn to the Father in Johns gospel are those who already listen and learn from the Father. Thats the condition for those who are drawn and come.

John 6
“Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

hope this helps !!!
 
As for your heart's treasure of the word "experience" substituting as a synonym for Christ's "see" in John 3:3, please see this post #2,813 to @Rockson.
Greetings Kermos,

I'm going to take time sometime today and go back and read many of your posts~I want to see if there is a disagreement between us as Tom said, on seeing....entering...and experience.

You can save me some time (I'm on four forums and have limited time to follow all who post, plus my other duties) by explaining in a few words your understanding of the three words above.

I do thank you for your truth concerning man's bondage of his will, until God regenerates him. Keep up the good fight of faith. RB
 
Greetings Kermos,

I'm going to take time sometime today and go back and read many of your posts~I want to see if there is a disagreement between us as Tom said, on seeing....entering...and experience.

You can save me some time (I'm on four forums and have limited time to follow all who post, plus my other duties) by explaining in a few words your understanding of the three words above.

I do thank you for your truth concerning man's bondage of his will, until God regenerates him. Keep up the good fight of faith. RB
You have the free will do all the research you want but the fact remains that receiving Christ and believing on His name precedes being born again. See the following link:

 
You have the free will do all the research you want but the fact remains that receiving Christ and believing on His name precedes being born again. See the following link:

They don't believe in free will only what God makes them do via fatalistic determinism- choice is an illusion. They can only say/do what their god has ordained them to say and do including sin, false doctrine, deluding, lying etc..... Its all their gods will everything that comes to pass.
 
They don't believe in free will only what God makes them do via fatalistic determinism- choice is an illusion. They can only say/do what their god has ordained them to say and do including sin, false doctrine, deluding, lying etc..... Its all their gods will everything that comes to pass.
I know. That's why I mentioned "free will" as a tongue in cheek remark. :LOL:
 
Did you expend any effort to read what I quoted from RB?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.

RB is declaring that "you" (Nicodemus) is not the subject here. That places Nicodemus in a class by himself, apart from "a man". Basic English Grammar. Now if you want to backtrack from RB's statement then you have all the freedom in the world to do so.

Self-willed you won't apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils
in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! YHWH IS MARVELOUS!!!
 
God never gives faith to lost sinners who are children of wrath.
Did not I say the same thing?

I agree God's chosen people are not reprobates, and those that are reprobates, cannot believe! So there.

Did I make myself clear to you? Of course I did~now, you can take my words and put any spin on them as corrupt politicians are known for, but, I expect better from you.
Yes I did.
 
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.

Self-willed you won't apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:
Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils​
This particular paragraph's subjects are Nicodemus and Pharisees, not the same as RB's previous paragraph whose subjects are Nicodemus and man. Pharisees are NOT all of man. Do you understand? Your dirt poor understanding of English Grammar is being manifested for all to see. That is a common trait amongst all calvinists.
in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
My statement was about RB's grammar skills, not about God. If you equate RB's grammar skills with God then you're further gone than what I previously imagined. 🤪
 
God never gives faith to lost sinners who are children of wrath.
Now, concerning these words that you posted, I will say this:

God's elect are not children of his wrath, never have been, never will be. Only by nature, being born sinners are they so, but not by the predestination love of God are they so! They have been loved from before the foundation of the world and will be loved world without end. Once loved, always loved!

God's elect were by nature "only" children of wrath, as far as the flesh goes~yet, even then we were loved by God by being chosen in Christ and part of his elect body. As a matter of truth, we have never been considered outside of Christ legally speaking, practically, of course we were by nature, yet nature only. When Jesus was in this world, as far a God was concerned, legally speaking, we were in him; when he died, we died with him, by being in him; when he arose, we also arose with him, by being in him, where he now sits, we also, sit in the heavenly places in him legally speaking, or words have no meaning according to the scriptures before us. Selah.

God never gives faith to lost sinners who are children of wrath.
He does to his elect, on the behalf of Christ, who was their surety. Not because of any work on their part, but for Christ's sake alone, who secured eternal life for them by his faith and perfect obedience. This is the good news of the gospel of Christ.
 
You have the free will do all the research you want but the fact remains that receiving Christ and believing on His name precedes being born again. See the following link:

Never said I was going to research~"receiving Christ and believing on His name precedes being born again" This subject needs no researching on my part, this truth I have been teaching for most of my life as a Christian which is fifty years, when I first came to Christ in my mid twenties ~ I'm now seventy six. I'm well grounded in this truth, and have no problem defending the truth of regeneration being a work of God's almighty power, the same power which raised Christ from the dead. And you men teach faith precedes being born again, that's called being under a strong delusion.

I said I was going back and read up on Kermos' posts.

You truly do very little posting using scriptures to defend what you believe, which truly doesn't surprise me.
 
Every believer was at one time a child of wrath just like the rest of the world as per Paul in Ephesians 2.
Both are by nature, some are by being reprobates, never being loved, which God's elect have never been not loved by God, never.

I just quoted above from Ephesians 2, if you disagree, then take those scriptures and give your understanding of them. I have many more we can provide for you.
 
Both are by nature, some are by being reprobates, never being loved, which God's elect have never been not loved by God, never.

I just quoted above from Ephesians 2, if you disagree, then take those scriptures and give your understanding of them. I have many more we can provide for you.
Oh God loved some elect reprobates but not all reprobates , children of wrath.
 
Never said I was going to research~"receiving Christ and believing on His name precedes being born again" This subject needs no researching on my part, this truth I have been teaching for most of my life as a Christian which is fifty years, when I first came to Christ in my mid twenties ~ I'm now seventy six. I'm well grounded in this truth, and have no problem defending the truth of regeneration being a work of God's almighty power, the same power which raised Christ from the dead. And you men teach faith precedes being born again, that's called being under a strong delusion.
When will you start to quote scripture to back up your regeneration precedes belief statements? It would be good if you started to do so before you reach 70. 😉
I said I was going back and read up on Kermos' posts.

You truly do very little posting using scriptures to defend what you believe, which truly doesn't surprise me.
John 1:12 and John 3:3 are not scripture??? Did you rip those verses out of your Bible and that's why you don't recognize them as scripture?
 
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